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Canonet not charging shutter
Old 10-13-2016   #1
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Canonet not charging shutter

Hello again,
I like Canonet 19 cameras and buy them when I can. I thought I knew how to fix them by now but the latest acquisition has me a little puzzled.
Everything works but the shutter is not "charged" after the trigger lever is wound.
I have found a Canonet repair manual online, which says on this issue:

"When the shutter is not charged even after the Trigger Lever is wound, the following adjustments should be made: Loosen Screw B1190. float Winding Device C9266-11 and set the Shutter with a pair of tweezers.
Then adjust the amount of charge by turning the Eccentric Screw of C9266-11."

I do not know how to add images to theses threads, but i have a diagram showing the parts described above.

Can someone help me understand what they mean by "float winding device' and most importantly
"set the shutter with a pair of tweezers" what exactly do they mean by that? How do i do that?
I understand seeing the diagram which shows the bottom of the camera and the bits described above would be a big help.
If anyone can point me to a tutorial re inserting pictures i will insert.
Or if i can send an image with an email direct to someone i can do that.
Hope you guys can help me
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Managed to find a way to post images
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I will be looking for the answer to this. I both the large and QL17 size QL19 cameras. Which do you have?
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I have the 1961 Canonet 19 with the bottom winder
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The diagram shows the bottom without the bottom plate and the winder arm
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Throw it across the room, that's how my 4 year old fixed the stuck shutter in mine.
(*i am not a repairman, nor do I play one on tv)
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I have the 1961 Canonet 19 with the bottom winder
Ah, both mine have the winding lever on top. I guess that is what you mean when you say winder?
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The shutter charge lever is pushed sideways to cock the shutter, by the "winding device".
You can push the lever with a tool.

Loosen the screw, push the lever to charge the shutter; hold the lever in the cocked position then adjust eccentric screw C9266-11. By doing this, you are adjusting the stroke of the "winding device".
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Thank you Johnf04
i will try it this weekend
have you tried taking the bottom plate off before? is it difficult?
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The first cameras I bought, when I got into collecting, were Canonets - 6 of them, dismantled. A good way to learn about repairing cameras.

To remove the bottom plate, take off the rewind crank, the rewind lever, and the wind lever. Peel the ring of leatherette from round the tripod socket.

Remove the screws that are under the rewind crank, and around the tripod socket.

There is a page in your manual which shows an exploded view of the camera, showing the parts you need to remove.
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I have taken the base plate off and followed your instructions but nothing, when the shutter button is pressed there is no firing.
I have tried several settings with the eccentric screw but no joy.
I cannot think what else it can be as the button can be depressed.
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Have you tried pushing the charge lever with a tool, to see if the shutter cocks that way?
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hello again, thanks John, I did try that, then I almost gave up.
I then thought what if the shutter IS charged, but stuck?
I took out the front element of the lens and squirted quite a bit of Zippo lighter fluid on the shutter. Nothing. Then i really squirted a lot of fluid and the shutter started firing.
So in the end maybe the winding lever was always charging the shutter and the work on the bottom of the camera a waste of time. But as you say, great to do now i know how it works on the bottom.
The iris was a bit stuck too so i gave that a lot of zippo fluid too. Now the camera is drying with the front element off. i noticed with my first Canonet that after the zipo treatment to a stuck iris you really need to let it dry thoroughly. So hopefully in a few days time i will have another fully functioning Canonet.
Really surprised to see both mine still have a functioning-and accurate- selenium meter. i was expecting the cells to be dead.
I will keep them stored in the dark and in the dry of course.
Do you know if a selenium cell stored in dry and totally dark environment lasts indefinitely, or will it die, one day, even if kept like that? Curious
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I have cameras, from the early 1960s, with working selenium cell meters. I have others where the cell is weak, or dead. Chance seems to have a lot to do with survival.
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