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Old 07-05-2016   #41
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Information is free

The beauty of our digital age, just about anything is available at our fingertips via our smart devices.
It's not entirely "free"...in some cases, it costs someone revenue or even their job and when that happens, that person no longer consumes as much of *your* product or service or the product and or service of *your* employer.

In the coming years, there will be more and more job loss and personal costs associated with the "Freeconomy"....then the information age hangover will truly set in, badly.
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Old 07-06-2016   #42
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I'm on the fence.

I'm pretty sure I can afford the 25 fee, but as stated elsewhere, I'm not sure what I gain from membership (let alone the fee) that pegs my interest and desire with Leica stuff.

All said, I'd probably join and see what its like. Then make a decision after a while...

There have been some positive suggestions/ideas among the posts so far. e.g., I'd love to see a twice-annual (or so) publication with example work, tips from folks who know more than I how to use Leica gear, announcements related to the Leica world, etc. However, such things cost more $$ than many folks think.

And, while many can afford a fee greater than $25, I must say its always easier to spend smaller amounts on "intangibles" (no offense to the society concept). And besides, at $50 and above my wife starts asking questions...

And one last thing that threads like this make me think about....I wonder if the general public realize that websites (including forums) are not free of cost? Examples I'm associated with have been able to absorb those costs and they have been relatively low the last few years. But, higher traffic and higher maintenance needs can raise the cost. Mostly its electricity and physical location (rent), but also the occasional need for hardware replacement/upgrade can be substantial. Then there's time.... Ask Stephen about that part. I'm appreciative of the existence of RFF.
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Info only

I'm a member of LHSA, and find the benefits to be more than online information. But, I'm not here to, nor will I participate in a debate; this is for each person to consider and decide on their own.

For information purposes, however, I'll point out that my membership is the electronic option, which gets me the Viewfinder in pdf form, and access to all older issues. That membership cost is $60 per year.

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What happened to LHSA?
Old 07-27-2016   #44
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What happened to LHSA?

Can we use the experience of LHSA as a guide? Have them been successful? I do enjoy buying their magazines (old) with very good articles. Is belonging to a Leica society going to make me a better photographer? Probably not. Give status, probably not. Get some discounts somewhere? Probably not. So I expect nothing from such an organization. Therefore, I am in. Put me down for up to $25 per month.

BTW, I used to lead an organization that helped unemployed colleagues find jobs through networking, contacts, etc. If you are looking for a job, let us know where to read your resume. We can include that in the new organization. The more jobs people have, the more Leica they buy.
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Old 07-27-2016   #45
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I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
Sounds like a Marxist comment. As in Groucho.
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Old 10-09-2016   #46
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Yep (3 characters) .
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Old 10-09-2016   #47
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Stephen - great idea. Such an organization could be very helpful. I would join.
And the cost is NOT high. It costs money to organize and collate ideas.
But I agree with Lasse - please dont' put it on Facebook.
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Old 10-09-2016   #48
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Problem is that everyone thinks information should be free, so nobody is willing to pay money, even if it's only $25/year.
Ah, but it's not paying $25/year for information, it's paying $25/year to give information away...

I'm not sure if I've missed the primary function of this society, but I'm not sure why I would pay money so that I could give Leica advice? End of the day, Leica is a for-profit business - if they want to do market research they can pay for it themselves.
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Old 10-09-2016   #49
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I would join.
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Old 10-09-2016   #50
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I still don't see the point.

The LHSA does a good job of tracking Leica historically. Other Leica forums have relationships with Leica that already provide beta testing and early access to new products from time to time. Any user can send their suggestions and frustrations to Leica via their customer service, bug reporting, and direct messages to head honchos as desired. In my experience doing so, Leica folks have been responsive and candid.

Why should anyone pay for yet another forum/organization doing the same thing again? Why would anyone want to start such a thing other than to promote their own personal agenda?

Sorry, not for me.

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I could go with paying $25 to keep the clubhouse bar stocked.

Seriously (?), it seems like a "society" like this should be a membership of folks that enjoy sharing ideas. That shouldn't cost money. If any expenses did occur, like paying for a event/meeting place, then the membership would share cost equally. I belong to a society that operates like this and it feels perfectly democratic, with no notion of hierarchy. Everyone in the group feels like an equal with everyone else, including the volunteer responsibility sharing.
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Old 10-09-2016   #52
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Quite a few pages on Facebook are on photography.

Leica has a nice representation along with many others.

Quite a few pages on visual arts, like this one:

https://www.facebook.com/Arte.Art.Arte/?ref=ts&fref=ts

Whatever.

I enjoy FB. I can pick and choose my friends and what I like. It's easy peasy to upload photos and videos.

Of course, you can forget it all and not join.
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Information is free

The beauty of our digital age, just about anything is available at our fingertips via our smart devices.
Given enough time to sift through the 70 - 90% of non-relevant or incorrect information one finds tangled up in the truth.

I did LHSA for a short time, never found it to be of any use. Wouldn't join.
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Old 10-09-2016   #54
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I'm a new Leica user, and would be interested.
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Old 10-09-2016   #55
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New Leica Society would be a good idea, but it would have to have a J.V. Stalin style elections as too much democracy is counter productive. Even that great democrat W. Churchill said so. Also only $25 annual due is much too low to be taken seriously.
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This is the cost of a magazine subscription. Will it result in my receiving as much useful information as I get from my current subscriptions? If so then it is worth the subscription, if not then I would cancel.

I am interested and would be willing to subscribe for the 1st year. Anything longer requires the information and benefits to have been worth at least $25. If this society gets up and running then feel free to include me in the founding group.

As for advising Leica, not too sure that is necessary in my case. The M-A was targeted right at me and I bought it the minute it was available. If it holds up like the rest of their film cameras I probably will not need another Leica camera for the rest of my life.
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Old 10-09-2016   #57
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Nikon Historical Society does NOT pay speakers.
The speakers receive gifts but I don't think that's the reason we make presentations. We do it because of the audience.

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Everyone is talking about the cost, but what is actually being provided?

If there isn't a clear goal of what this is supposed to accomplish and how it will be beneficial to members, then no.
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I still don't see the point.

Why should anyone pay for yet another forum/organization doing the same thing again?

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Not the same thing. Take a closer look at the original post. Just about everything listed there is a big improvement on the existing status quo.

That is the reason for a new Leica organization -- if it gets out of the starting gate.

The internet and free forums have made most any organized dues collecting group less attractive. Yet it takes money to make meetings and publications work. Not everyone is like Bob Rotoloni at the Nikon Historical Society - surely being paid far less than minimum wage for his important Nikon historical documentation.

Despite the "free" internet, some people want a quality club experience are willing to pay for same. The trick seems to be finding the right balance of club features vs the price of the membership.

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The first post is very vague on member benefits, mostly listing some basic structural organization.

More responsive to the members...than what?

How exactly would such a society 'demand' things from Leica?
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The trick seems to be finding the right balance of club features vs the price of the membership.

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Stephen,

I think this last statement is false. In the age of free information of dubious quality, the trick is to make the club features exactly how you want them, then charge what it costs. If it costs $100/year, then so be it. But watering it down to meet a budget will not work.

If getting this new society exactly how you want it costs more than people are willing to pay, then it was not meant to be. But, if you can demonstrate that what you are providing is worth it, people will pay. After all, $25 is really nothing.
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Not the same thing. Take a closer look at the original post. Just about everything listed there is a big improvement on the existing status quo.

That is the reason for a new Leica organization -- if it gets out of the starting gate.

The internet and free forums have made most any organized dues collecting group less attractive. Yet it takes money to make meetings and publications work. Not everyone is like Bob Rotoloni at the Nikon Historical Society - surely being paid far less than minimum wage for his important Nikon historical documentation.

Despite the "free" internet, some people want a quality club experience are willing to pay for same. The trick seems to be finding the right balance of club features vs the price of the membership.

Stephen
I disagree that what you listed is any different at all from the existing associations and forums. Personally, I could care less about clubs unless they are in fact collaborative efforts for the members to contribute to and publish works through exhibitions, competitions, and periodicals, or to share information (for instance, for collectors). Which is what the LHS is, essentially.

If what you're looking for is influence on the manufacturer, well, in that case unless the manufacturer sponsors a development and promotional association for the purpose of acquiring feedback and guidance, it's a complete waste of time.

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Charge $100- per year ..
Leica needs to step up to the plate and give a min of 10% off lens or camera as compensation..
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