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Old 09-15-2016   #1
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canon eos m 5?

anyone looking at or thinking about the new eos m mirrorless camera?
i really liked the one i had but the new one is shaped more like a tiny dslr than the rf body they had before.
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Old 09-15-2016   #2
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It is an interesting camera -but no Nikon or Fuji so no love here. It looks like a good one. Its pricing is aimed straight at the Sony A6300 I think. We'll see if it is as good - what I've seen it looks like the handling is great and at least it looks like Canon isn't too afraid to compete with its entry level DSLR's. Until now the EOS M's seemed to be too much of a compromise.

I know why they choose the bump in the middel, but I can't see the advantage in day to day use. I keep my A6000 as it does everything I want and I don't expect the M5 to be better.
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Like Sony and I'm sure some others, they made a small camera and then spoil it with huge lenses. I saw an article the other day that shows how the A7 loses all advantage in size once the lens is attached. Canon had something so similar a while back called the SL1 I think, I don't see much difference with this model.
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the canon m lenses are smaller than the fuji lenses...they are a good size for the older m bodies so i would think they would be good for the new m...of course they don't have many lenses so the canon is more restricted.
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the canon m lenses are smaller than the fuji lenses...they are a good size for the older m bodies so i would think they would be good for the new m...of course they don't have many lenses so the canon is more restricted.
They are smaller because they don't exist

I just looked on 2 primes of similar focal length (22 and 28) ?
It's been years since this system started. Canon has yet to get it going.
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Looks like a half hearted attempt to me. One of the uglier mirrorless bodies.
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hopefully with the new m5, which is aimed at more than the casual user (in my opinion) should see the introduction of some new small lenses. I had the original M, the 22mm and the 11-22mm were both fantastic lenses, small, sharp, and solid contruction, and the body felt SOLID for what it was. the slow af didnt bother me too much, but lack of controls, and the HUGE AF square was bloody frustrating at times when trying to pinpoint focus. with the M5, they have 4 dials, which is more than enough, but it looks like it doesn't have an adjustable focus point size again.

If canon expects users to make up the difference with dslr lenses they are kidding themselves, good in a pinch, or for some fun, but not practical to carry all day.

Since their semi pro lens line is really for full frame, with only a couple decent apsc specific lenses. maybe the M system will slowly evolve into their semi pro apsc line? It's obvious they know how to make lenses, now they actually need to stop being afraid of cannibalizing dslr sales and MAKE THEM.

I think the body is better looking than the m3 +evf, the grip on that actually felt pretty good. it kind of looks like the ******* child of the fuji xt10 and canon m3. the ability to move the focus point with the touchscreen while the camera is up to your eye is also a great implementation that other manufacturers seem to be doing.

only time will tell?

but for $1100usd, and what will probably be $1500AUD +++

I'd rather go a used xt-1 for about 700AUD...

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looks okay but i've given up on the M system because all canon does is release kit-level zoom lenses for it. it's been years and the only prime they have is the 22mm. it's a shame because i still have and enjoy the original M, but if canon isn't going to treat it as a serious system, i'm not going to invest in it.
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Looks like a half hearted attempt to me. One of the uglier mirrorless bodies.
Agreed. I was interested in the idea. A pro-level morrorless by canon. But I can't see any reason to invest in this. I'm not a big aps-c fan, though, so I'm not inclined to like it, but I hoped canon would convert me. They didn't.
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looks okay but i've given up on the M system because all canon does is release kit-level zoom lenses for it. it's been years and the only prime they have is the 22mm. it's a shame because i still have and enjoy the original M, but if canon isn't going to treat it as a serious system, i'm not going to invest in it.
they also have the 28mm macro, which, to be fair, isn't super exciting. Offering max aperture of f3.5 and focal length similar to 22mm. but it does have built in macro lights which apparently work well for macro shots...
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they also have the 28mm macro, which, to be fair, isn't super exciting. Offering max aperture of f3.5 and focal length similar to 22mm. but it does have built in macro lights which apparently work well for macro shots...
ah, yes, i forgot that one. what a weird choice to release that before other primes, it's like they're rubbing salt into the wound - you want primes here's one for you
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Haha my thoughts exactly. a 35mm 1.8. or even a native 50mm 1.8, honestly though, probably too little too late.
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it's too bad because the m made some nice crisp images with the 22 and that 11-22.
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The 22 is supposed to be a superb little lens from what I can see. I am going to get an original M or M2 with the 22 as a point and shoot alternative. It works out less than the Fuji X100 and I prefer the 35mm view for a P&S than the 28mm of others. Given I can pick up the pair for 200 opposed to 300 for a Coolpix A and more for the Fuji it seems a bit of a no brainer. I like the look of the M5 but I have a reasonable Sony set up, besides I would want a 50 and fast mild tele that are missing.
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Like Sony and I'm sure some others, they made a small camera and then spoil it with huge lenses. I saw an article the other day that shows how the A7 loses all advantage in size once the lens is attached. Canon had something so similar a while back called the SL1 I think, I don't see much difference with this model.
Sony released smallish lenses and everybody and his sister complained they weren't f/2.8 zooms or f/1.4 primes. Now they give us f/2.8 zooms and f/1.4 primes and people whine they are to big. Just buy the smaller, slower, lenses

Or get an APS-C mirrorless, those are much smaller anyway. That is what I did.....
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Or get an APS-C mirrorless, those are much smaller anyway. That is what I did.....
APS-C is definitely the sweet spot for size vs quality
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I still have and regularly use my M with 18-55 and 22mm lens. I added an aftermarket metal grip I picked up off ebay and it's made the camera a joy to use. I think the this M5 sounds interesting but the M is working great for me so don't see a need to upgrade. Also it seems to have grown a little too large.

I also have no issue with lens selection. I say less is more. If your photos suck a new/better lens isn't going to help.
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I'd rather get Panasonic LX100 or Fuji X series camera with RF style and more interesting rendering comparing to any size, type, style Canon camera. Also cameras with VF in the middle turning me off, because I have to turn my nose to keep it off from the screen.
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Like Sony and I'm sure some others, they made a small camera and then spoil it with huge lenses. I saw an article the other day that shows how the A7 loses all advantage in size once the lens is attached. Canon had something so similar a while back called the SL1 I think, I don't see much difference with this model.
The SL1/100d is a full blown SLR, not mirrorless. I ended up getting one after so much frustration attempting to bring the Eos M up to a useable speed. big fan of the SL1.

I'm tempted by the M5, IF the 22mm can be made to focus at a reasonable speed on it, I'd be very happy to leave that on there all the time. However if the 22mm can't be speeded up, it's it's definitely not for me.

The 22mm can produce some really nice images, it's just unusably slow in use with the first M

the 28mm macro is interesting, but I already have the 22mm, and if I'm daft enough to buy another M body I want that to work on it first.

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The 22 is supposed to be a superb little lens from what I can see. I am going to get an original M or M2 with the 22 as a point and shoot alternative. .
Do NOT do this without trying it out first.
On the original M the 22mm is painfully slow to focus, even after firmware updates, every couple of months I went back to it and tried and tried to convince myself it was ok, and it's really just not, it frustrates me no end.
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I'm just looking into the 28mm macro...I'm not paying 250 for a plastic mount!
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seems too close in price to a Sony A7. As for Fuji, I'm not so sure about the color. A recent trip and the XPro1 gave me some bluish photos, but that's probably loose nut behind the wheel syndrome as I don't use it much. The original M with the 22 and a handgrip is a pretty compact cheap set up. M5 is kind of funny shaped, and maybe to close to an XT-1.

I'm waiting for the Fuji 23mm f/2...
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