Looks like new sigma mc-11 is better than metabones
Old 03-02-2016   #1
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Looks like new sigma mc-11 is better than metabones

http://www.dpreview.com/news/8547380...on-sony-bodies

DP review has a video that shows how much better the new Sigma MC-11 adapter as compared to the metabones smart adapter for Canon. The Sigma one supports both SA and Canon mount lenses. Very impressive.. They talked mainly about the Sny A7r2 and a6300. I wonder how well they do an first gen a7 bodies and the a6000. The Sigma website info show support for the Nex family as well..but w/o phase detect cells like nex5n, probably not as fast.

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Old 03-02-2016   #2
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That looks pretty interesting! Thanks for sharing!
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Old 03-02-2016   #3
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saw the news also and its interesting, although "older" cameras like a6000 and A7 may have contrast AF only. Sigma made Sony adapter for their own lenses, guess thats why its faster than third party versions. shame it didn't come for Sigma Nikon lenses, only SA and EF mounts. wonder if there's any technical limitation for it? many newer Sigma lenses for Nikon didn't have old manual aperture control, so that cant be the reason.
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Somewhere.. Internet only talk, I have no positive evidence, so take it w/ grain of salt.

Someone mentioned Sigma bought the rights to the Canon af mount system when the created their SA mount.. The only real diff is the SA got moved to the 1 o'clock position for mounting, so Canon AF lenses could not be used directly. So once they figured out their needs for SA mount, it was no issue to create a Canon version.

But yes..it would be great to have a Nikon version. Sigma knows the Nikon af protocol, so it is possible. Maybe if enough people ask, it may happen.

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Old 03-02-2016   #5
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Btw.. Metabones better up their game and rethink their pricing.. IMHO, this is gonna cut not their sales for the Canon adapter..

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Old 03-02-2016   #6
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Very good strategic move by Sigma. With their art lens reputation and the lack of native AF lenses for Sony FE, it will bring more sales to them.
I for one started thinking of getting a 24-105 f/4 with the adapter for the A7rII !
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Seems like a clunky solution.
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Old 03-02-2016   #8
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If 'clunky' means 'like native' then yes.



The question that isn't fully answered, unless I missed it, is whether this will work with all Canon glass, not just Sigma.

Anyone have more info on this?
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Clunky because you'll be using huge lenses on a tiny body...
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Clunky because you'll be using huge lenses on a tiny body...
Native FE lenses are not that much smaller especially the new G series. Most of the Sigma art lenses will definitely look clunky.. The range of existing lenses that are available for fe as well as e mount just went up a lot though. Of the existing Sony FE mount lenses, to me, only the 35f2.8 and 55f1.8 are not only good to great performers but I like both the size and weight. I would also tend to feel the sigma QA is a bit better than the Sony brand in general and the art a step above...IMHO.

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Old 03-03-2016   #11
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There are no decent telephotos for e-mount. I long for a 300/2.8 e-mount. So, this is quite interesting for me.

I just wish it was for Nikon (I have too many Nikkor lenses).
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I was really disappointet from the 24-105. Not the best sharpness. Of course it's usable but you won't unlock the full potential of the sensor. Canon does not recommend this lens on the 5DS or 5DSR with 50MP for example.
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Good to know thanks. It is not that much better than the canon version and the problem is that is a very useful range and even the sony 24-70 f4 does not perform very well either. 24-70 2.8 g master is so expensive...
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It's my understanding that these new adapters will only allow the phase detection and other advanced focus features of the newer cameras with Sigma's own lenses, not Canon glass. So if you have Sigma EF lenses (or Sigma SA lenses with the SA version) cool- but if you are hoping for real full function and fast AF with Canon lenses (never mind Nikon) you are still out of luck. Am I wrong on that? I don't know how or why that would be the case, but that point seemed to be present, but buried, in the announcement I saw...
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It's my understanding that these new adapters will only allow the phase detection and other advanced focus features of the newer cameras with Sigma's own lenses, not Canon glass. So if you have Sigma EF lenses (or Sigma SA lenses with the SA version) cool- but if you are hoping for real full function and fast AF with Canon lenses (never mind Nikon) you are still out of luck. Am I wrong on that? I don't know how or why that would be the case, but that point seemed to be present, but buried, in the announcement I saw...
The website info certainly implies that for sure, since only Sigma lenses are listed. Until this adapter gets into the hands of independent tester, what level of reality check will the be for Canon native lenses :
- only work w/ contrast?
- only some phase detect functionality
- no continuous af
- no predictive
- no support at all
Who knows... I would suspect no support at all would be the least unlikely, but it is definitely a possibility that cannot be denied.

For me, I have no Canon lenses but plenty of SA mount.. Only a couple that are on the list.. Most of mine are the older ones prior to the Art and Contemporary series.

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Jason Lanier posted a video w/ his impressions from wppi
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Jason Lanier posted a video w/ his impressions from wppi

http://youtu.be/aHNT6G9U-Jo

In general, he really likes it.

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Old 03-23-2016   #16
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Both dpreview and Brian Smith have posted updates that match Jason Lainer on the pdaf support on the mc11.
- lock on af
- eye detect
- face detect lock on
Panning the camera from center to edge of display screen, the object remains in focus. Something that dpreview demonstrates in their video that the metabones smart adapter cannot do.

http://briansmith.com/sigma-mc-11-smart-adapter/

At the bottom of the Brian Smith writeup is the link to the dpreview video and the follow up confirmation from Brian when he went to wppi.

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Confirmed only works for Sigma lenses
Old 03-28-2016   #17
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Confirmed only works for Sigma lenses

http://briansmith.com/sigma-mc-11-mo...-sony-e-mount/

This article confirms via his own testing that the mc11 will only work on the Sigma lenses on the support list. He believes unlike the smart adapter for canon (metabones for examples), which is translating the e mount af commands to canon af commands, the Sigma adapter is interpreting the e mount commands and sending native sigma af commands.

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