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Old 11-28-2016   #1
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Here are my dream specs for a P&S. Does such a camera exist?

35mm-40mm lens
f2.8 (or less)
Max asa/iso=at least 800
NO auto flash (this seems especially hard to find)

My Nikon L35af comes close.
And I'm curious about the Canon AF35ML (with some models going up to 1000ASA)


Any ideas?
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Old 11-28-2016   #2
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My dream camera would have M3 build quality, a QL17 fast load mechanism, TTL metering and a fixed 35mm F1.8 lens.
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does point and shoot mean full auto focus or is pocketable manual focus okay?
if so: contax t, olympus xa, rollei 35s/se, and minox 35 series all meet your other requirements.

do you need to be able to set the asa/iso manually or is dx okay? if dx is okay: contax t2/t3 and nikon 35ti require dx codes (they default to asa 100 without - though you can push 2-3 stops)
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a phenomenal camera. if you're shooting above asa 400, be sure to carry a ND filter because the top shutter speed is 1/250 with a min aperture of f22
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a phenomenal camera. if you're shooting above asa 400, be sure to carry a ND filter because the top shutter speed is 1/250 with a min aperture of f22
Only an issue with slide film. Negative film loves a bit of over exposure.

I wish this camera were manual focus with a focus ring.
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Old 11-28-2016   #8
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Old 11-28-2016   #9
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Here are my dream specs for a P&S. Does such a camera exist?

35mm-40mm lens
f2.8 (or less)
Max asa/iso=at least 800
NO auto flash (this seems especially hard to find)

My Nikon L35af comes close.
And I'm curious about the Canon AF35ML (with some models going up to 1000ASA)


Any ideas?
You basically described the Canon, as it's the only P&S I know of that has an aperture greater than f2.8 (f1.9). And I've got boxes full of P&S cams.

Most of the cameras that have flash control features will have zoom lenses, which are slower, and DX ISO coding, so you have no control over the setting unless you modify the film canister.

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Old 11-28-2016   #10
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You seem to be leaning towards auto focus. If not, there are many. I can second VagabOnd's suggestion of the Olympus XA. You focus by RF, set the ASA, and use flash when you want to with the accessory dedicated flash. 35mm lens, ASA to 800, RF focus, very small size.
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Old 11-28-2016   #11
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Unless I'm misunderstanding, why wouldn't the Leica Minilux / CM or the Nikon 35Ti be a contender?
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Old 11-28-2016   #12
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Fuji Klasse S is a pocketable P&S.
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I have a Rollei 35AFM, which seems to be a sister camera of the Klasse.
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Old 11-28-2016   #15
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Konica A4/Big Mini
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If you're prepared to be slightly flexible on the F stop there's a bunch of Yashica and Ricoh models that fit the bill
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Old 11-28-2016   #17
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the konica big mini's and yashica t's all fail the auto flash requirement.

the ricoh ff 90 super / ff 70 fits all your requirements... if you're shooting two handed. it is an "auto flash" camera, but on the top side above the flash, there is a button that pops up when the camera thinks you should use flash and you can press it down to disable the flash from firing.

also, it's almost certainly the cheapest camera listed on this page.
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Old 11-28-2016   #18
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The Konica Big Mini cameras all have a flash off mode.

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Old 11-28-2016   #19
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My dream camera has already been built. It's a Ralph Gibson Signature Leica MP & practically all of em are in it's collector box on a shelf or in a safe & never a roll of film has been run through any of them.

I get a hold of one it'll be banging around my neck & I'll shoot the devil out of it like they were meant to be used.

Any collector who might be reading this please consider willing this camera to me. I promise I'll take better care of it than your greedy kinfolk who will only rid of it for the money to buy coke
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I'd say a mamiya 7 with a collapsible mount a la mamiya 6 and an 80 2.8 lens.
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The late run versions of the original L35AF went to ASA 1000, and if the flash pops up, you just press it back down, and it will still meter correctly. The third version of the series, the L35AF3, has a flash-off switch, but uses DX encoding to set ISO.

I see that the Ricoh ff90 has already been suggested.
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Contax T3 ticks all the boxes, no?
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Old 11-29-2016   #23
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Hi,

Not sure about what you mean by P&S, as for the 800ASA/ISO if you make it 400...

The Olympus µ-II could be there but for the flash. Ditto the Trip 35 and 35 ED; Canonet 28; Konica C35; Minox 35ML; Yashica T3 that don't have built in flash.

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The Konica Big Minis/A4 as mentioned do have a flash off option, you can set the flash mode while the camera is off.
So if you set it to off, when you turn it on it remembers the setting.
However, after turning it off it forgets again, so you just get into the habit of setting it when you turn it off.

It's not as ideal as the Contax T2/3 options, but for me better than the Olympus MJUII option of turning it off each time you turn it on.

I have the Nikon L35 1 2 and 3, from memory they're all flash defeatable, but you do need to push the flash back down again. The 3 does away with this, and has a button beside the lens, which you press and hold in order to not only defeat the flash, but also give it +1.5 stops of exposure compensation.

The Ricoh FF3af (35mm f3.2) has a slider underneath the flash that you pull out to enable the flash, and has manual ISO settings for 25, 64, 100, 400. (the lack of 200 and 800 is a little puzzling, and they seem to move waterhouse stops behind the light meter, so it's not possible to wedge between settings.

All of the Yashica T series have built in flash, some are 2.8 and some 3.5 but they're all defeatable on turning the camera on, and all great performers.

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Old 11-29-2016   #25
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I guess I should specify that auto focus is ideal as I often shoot from my bike and being able to do so one-handed is preferable.

My first camera is the Canon Sprint, with a flash that is operated by physically sliding it out, to the on position. It is a somewhat unremarkable camera otherwise, but still one of my favorites for how it handles flash.
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Old 11-29-2016   #26
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Contax T3, Nikon 35Ti, and Fuji Klasse S fit your criteria. The Contax T3 is my favourite 35mm compact camera, and has accompanied me to Sydney, Hong Kong, and a number of interstate jaunts. Being able to shoot without having to disable flash each time is so convenient, and it is small enough to be pocketable.

The Nikon L35AD2 is a cool camera, very light and fairly small, but you need to hold the flash down physically to prevent it from firing. Cheap as chips compared with the T3, though.

But if I could have a 'dream' 35mm point and shoot camera, it would be the Contax T3 but with better AF, a better MF method, and a wee bit of a rubberized grip.
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But if I could have a 'dream' 35mm point and shoot camera, it would be the Contax T3 but with better AF, a better MF method, and a wee bit of a rubberized grip.
I haven't used the MF on the T3 at all, so I can't comment on that, but I don't recall missing a shot with the AF, I may be missing something though, what issues have you had?
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Here are my dream specs for a P&S. Does such a camera exist?

35mm-40mm lens
f2.8 (or less)
Max asa/iso=at least 800
NO auto flash (this seems especially hard to find)

My Nikon L35af comes close.
And I'm curious about the Canon AF35ML (with some models going up to 1000ASA)


Any ideas?
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Minolta Hi-Matic AF2.

I had the Nikon, but hated the auto flash. The minolta has a large switch, and you have to activate the flash. Otherwise, they're similar. Fairly solid feel, nice viewfinder. It accepts a lens shade, and i have a slotted hood i used to use on my Leicas.

38mm, 2.8 lens....
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I haven't used the MF on the T3 at all, so I can't comment on that, but I don't recall missing a shot with the AF, I may be missing something though, what issues have you had?
Sometimes it misses focus on horizontal lines, like horizons. The solution is to turn the camera to portrait orientation, focus, then move it back to landscape.

It can also be a bit tricky with close/macro distances, so you've got to be careful to watch for the Macro symbol if shooting close up.

Manual focus on the T3 means pushing the menu button a few times and then rotating the control dial until the top display shows the desired distance. As it is not illuminated, it can be difficult to see in the dark, and the process is a bit kludgy. As it is, the T3 autofocuses quite well in the dark due to the red grid it displays in low light conditions.
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Nikon 35Ti hits all the points raised.
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Nikon 35Ti hits all the points raised.
The 35ti doesn't have autoflash? I have a Nikon L35AF and it's my primary shooter so maybe the 35ti could be a nice step up...
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Sometimes it misses focus on horizontal lines, like horizons. The solution is to turn the camera to portrait orientation, focus, then move it back to landscape.

It can also be a bit tricky with close/macro distances, so you've got to be careful to watch for the Macro symbol if shooting close up.

Manual focus on the T3 means pushing the menu button a few times and then rotating the control dial until the top display shows the desired distance. As it is not illuminated, it can be difficult to see in the dark, and the process is a bit kludgy. As it is, the T3 autofocuses quite well in the dark due to the red grid it displays in low light conditions.
Thank you, I'll pay attention to the horizontal line issue in future, I'd not noticed it before, but it's always good to be aware.

I haven't used the MF, and I'm not likely to, it's not designed for it, so I'm not going to make my life harder and work against it haha.
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Thank you, I'll pay attention to the horizontal line issue in future, I'd not noticed it before, but it's always good to be aware.

I haven't used the MF, and I'm not likely to, it's not designed for it, so I'm not going to make my life harder and work against it haha.
At breakfast in a cafe this morning, I tried focusing with the T3 two or three times before the Macro symbol lit up properly. Solid Macro symbol means it is locked on. Flashing macro means it is too close and up the sxxt, haha.
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Here are my dream specs for a P&S. Does such a camera exist?

35mm-40mm lens
f2.8 (or less)
Max asa/iso=at least 800
NO auto flash (this seems especially hard to find)

My Nikon L35af comes close.
And I'm curious about the Canon AF35ML (with some models going up to 1000ASA)


Any ideas?
The Nikon L35AWAF has all P&S features and the flash has to be activated manually. It“s big and heavy, but weatherproof and silent.
The Canon AF 35 ML has an annoying low-light-warning-beep (it can be muted with some work inside the camera) and the AF is sometimes off in low light situations.
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I love the Olympus XA but I would have loved a version with a 50mm lens. I realize I'm probably in the minority though. There are times I just don't want wide angle, especially since the XA has a rangefinder.
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I was just reading this article on 35mmc last night...it got me wanting a pocketable P&S, too.

http://www.35mmc.com/09/10/2015/35mm...pact-camera-2/
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Here are my dream specs for a P&S. Does such a camera exist?

35mm-40mm lens
f2.8 (or less)
Max asa/iso=at least 800
NO auto flash (this seems especially hard to find)

My Nikon L35af comes close.
And I'm curious about the Canon AF35ML (with some models going up to 1000ASA)


Any ideas?
Hi,

Olympus XA and leave the flash at home...

Regards, David

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