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Fuji GFX50S medium format is here.
Old 09-19-2016   #1
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Fuji GFX50S medium format is here.

Here we go.

There is a 110mm f2 lens in the works and a 63mm f2.8 standard lens.
This camera could be the standard for Portrait and Wedding pros.

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FUJIFILM GFX 50S which features the FUJIFILM G Format 43.8 × 32.9mm sensor with 51.4 megapixels and six lenses that will be introduced under the new FUJINON GF Lens series of interchangeable lenses after early 2017 sequentially for professional photographers and photo enthusiasts. The new series deliver the highest image quality Fujifilm offers as well as outstanding expandability and functionality as a camera system.
https://www.fujifilm.eu/uk/news/arti...a-system-gfx-1
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Looks good. I'm intrigued by what was shown so far and look forward to more info.
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I like the modular design, clearly aiming serious photographers/professionals but still keeping the system really compact for the format. I might break down when it comes out next year...
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That makes it the second medium format mirrorless system after Hasselblad. I would not be surprised to see a third announced this Photokina...
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What constitutes medium format these days? The sensor doens't even come close to 6x4.5. I whipped up this little diagram to illustrate.



edit: forgot about 127. Looking at the specs it looks very close to 127 with its 4x3 frame.
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Resolution wise it looks good to me. I understand that the 51MP and 14EV dynamic range it would be equivalent to having a 6x4.5 film perfectly scanned at 3.500 dpi with a good Dmax 4.2 rated scanner.

With regards to optics, with its normal lens at f/2.8, it would be not that great, like using f/4 lens on a 6x4.5 film body.
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What constitutes medium format these days? The sensor doens't even come close to 6x4.5.
They never did, and they have been growing smaller. They are still almost twice the size of a FF sensor...
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What constitutes medium format these days? The sensor doens't even come close to 6x4.5. I whipped up this little diagram to illustrate.



edit: forgot about 127. Looking at the specs it looks very close to 127 with its 4x3 frame.

Behold the glory of 6*9 film cameras! Available now in the $400 range.

Or wait for this dead end tech to come out, for thousands and thousands of $$

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What constitutes medium format these days? The sensor doens't even come close to 6x4.5. I whipped up this little diagram to illustrate.
Thanks for the diagram that is a nice visual aid.

For digital, It Seems like 35mm is the standard.
35mm < "medium format"
35mm> "cropped"
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Just like the smaller X, the Fuji GFX has the liberty of smaller sensor as it's a closed system with no legacy "full frame" lenses to cater to.

Out of my reach anyway...
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and again no Tilt/Shift in the lens lineup. Same crap like Pentax. Really don't understand this as these kind of cameras are virtually predestined for landscape and architecture

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and again no Tilt/Shift in the lens lineup. Same crap like Pentax. Really don't understand this as these kind of cameras are virtually predestined for landscape and architecture

Yogi
I don't understand your kind of comment since these are just the FIRST six lenses of a new camera system. Many more will likely follow.

I think this system will dominate medium format sales - essentially obsoleting the blad and Leica S systems.

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I don't understand your kind of comment since these are just the FIRST six lenses of a new camera system. Many more will likely follow.

I think this system will dominate medium format sales - essentially obsoleting the blad and Leica S systems.

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The Leica S will die from this for sure. The Hasselblad X1D still has leaf shutters for those that need them and that might be something of a +1 for the Hasselblad but most people buying this probably won't need it. The H system will still dominate studio photography for a number of reasons. I think this camera will be a serious hit with wedding photographers and enthusiasts in almost every genre if they can afford it.
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Something I think is great is that it has a focal plane shutter so hopefully adapting lenses will be easier on this which will DEFINITELY hurt the X1D sales.
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Behold the glory of 6*9 film cameras! Available now in the $400 range.

Or wait for this dead end tech to come out, for thousands and thousands of $$

Oh yeah! 6x9 compared to the Fuji's size its basically large format

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Thanks for the diagram that is a nice visual aid.

For digital, It Seems like 35mm is the standard.
35mm < "medium format"
35mm> "cropped"
Seems this way. Use the diagram as you please.
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and again no Tilt/Shift in the lens lineup. Same crap like Pentax. Really don't understand this as these kind of cameras are virtually predestined for landscape and architecture

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What is the need for a tilt/shift lens when that functionality can be handled by post processing software?
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Are Fuji still the OEM behind the H system? If so, it might get killed pretty soon, as both Fuji and Hasselblad now have competing systems of their own...
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I would also like to point out that Fuji's very own new Instax square 'sensor' dwarfs this pseudo medium format digital thing.

Instax square - 62mm by 62mm

Digital (it will never catch on) fake mf - 43mm by 32mm

It's no wonder that Fuji sells way more Instax cameras than any other photo products.

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What is the need for a tilt/shift lens when that functionality can be handled by post processing software?
Focus stacking and nodal panning need relatively complicated rigs and setup, and will only work with static subjects. There are plenty of situations left where most photographers will prefer camera movements...
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I'm sure T/S and leaf shutter lenses will arrive in time.
The first 6 lenses look like a serious commitment.
This does not appear to be an experiment that will be killed off or neglected.

You have to hand it to Fuji.
Reminds me of the GW670/690 cameras Utilitarian and maybe even clunky but fully functional and ready to bring home the goods.
It's not as slick as the Hassy or Leica S but it sure looks the business.
The lenses are excellent choices to start a system.
I can only imagine how many adds and magazine covers will be shot in the future with that f2/100mm.

I'm not and don't expect to be in the market for such a system.
The trickle down benefits in the smaller sensor cameras are sure to come though.
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Are Fuji still the OEM behind the H system? If so, it might get killed pretty soon, as both Fuji and Hasselblad now have competing systems of their own...
No. Nittoh manufactures the lenses for the X1D.
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What constitutes medium format these days? The sensor doens't even come close to 6x4.5. I whipped up this little diagram to illustrate.



edit: forgot about 127. Looking at the specs it looks very close to 127 with its 4x3 frame.
Once again you skip 6x7 and leave all of us Pentax 6x7 users shaking our heads. It's like we don't even matter!
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Behold the glory of 6*9 film cameras! Available now in the $400 range.

Or wait for this dead end tech to come out, for thousands and thousands of $$

I have a 6x9 Medalist and love it. There was a thread where I was considering a 6x9 folder, but that GAS has been abated for now.

Acquiring a Retina II, Nikonos II, XA1, and Rollei XF35, along with a Bronica S2 and 3 lenses, distracted me.

But I do own the Bronica and a 6x7 and a Mamiya C330F. Relative pennies on the dollar and amazing images.
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Once again you skip 6x7 and leave all of us Pentax 6x7 users shaking our heads. It's like we don't even matter!
I didnt want to play favourites, otherwise I'd have to include the fuji 6x8 people too!

I'm also a P67 user
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Once again you skip 6x7 and leave all of us Pentax 6x7 users shaking our heads. It's like we don't even matter!
He also left out 6x12, 6x17 and 6x24.

Thing is there are already medium format digital sensors that are larger than this one. Heck even the Mamiya ZD that is 12 years old has a larger but lower resolution sensor.
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No. Nittoh manufactures the lenses for the X1D.
I know. However, the X1D is not the H system.
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I certainly hope this new camera doesn't have the flaw of so many of Fuji's previous MF cameras- noise. The clunk and whir of the 645s, the CLANG of the GW series. I hope they noticed one thing always mentioned about the GF670- silence!

Fuji and Sony will be the last two standing. Well, Leica and Hasselblad and Ilford, but they will have to accept life in very small niches.
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I love the modular design. I love the low weight: body ~800 g, less than a 5 D Mark IV.

They were clamming it should be cheaper with a lens than the Hasselblad X1D.

The lenses are uniform in their resolving ability and supposed to stellar: 100 MP resolution.... That sounds like something designed for NASA and scary for anyone with a facial blemish...

I love the physical dials and aperture control.

I know its way to early for this, but what will the GFX 70 be like!!!

If career Plan A falls through, then Ill just buy this and make a living.
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I know. However, the X1D is not the H system.
And the H system is not a direct competitor to the GFX.
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And the H system is not a direct competitor to the GFX.
I think it is. And so is the X1D - both Hasselblad and Fuji will try to convert H system users to their new device.
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Can you add the new Fuji Instax square format to that?
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What constitutes medium format these days? The sensor doens't even come close to 6x4.5. I whipped up this little diagram to illustrate.



edit: forgot about 127. Looking at the specs it looks very close to 127 with its 4x3 frame.
Thanks for the graphic. This sensor size should not be called "medium format" if it can't even approach 6x4.5 size!!
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We are a truly horrible lot. Fuji has its crop sensor in the XT/XE series and we whine.
Why can't they make a FF sensor, we complain?
Then they bring out this bigger than FF sensor, and we whine.

Ah the joys of the internet!
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Looks really interesting, same size sensor as the Pentax 645Z in a remarkably compact package. With the short back-focus, it would seem feasible to adapt Pentax Z and Leica S lenses...

Medium format film has been fudging the frame dimensions all along: the nominal 6x4.5 is more like 5.5x4.1 for instance.
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I think they nailed it. A bigger sensor would have been far more expensive. Consider the price of the larger Phase One sensor camera. As it stands this is significantly bigger than 35mm sensor, but the camera itself is no bigger than a 35mm digital SLR. If they can keep body price under 5k US they will kill it.
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Yea, I don't care if this isn't 645 size. It's still amazing regardless. Give it a few more years and they'll have a 4x5 sensor out there :-).
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