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Old 01-01-2015   #81
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Just found pics of an M4 with a paint over brass rear asa dial so maybe it was a left over M2 back door?
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Old 01-01-2015   #82
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Some rewind knobs are black paint over brass,
I've always thought that the first batch, with numbers beginning with 11 ..., had brass rewind knobs. The later knobs, camera numbers beginning with 12 ..., seems to be aluminium with a brass crank. I am not for 100% sure, however. The early cameras, numbers starting with 11 ..., seem to have black screws in their accessory shoes and speed dials.

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Old 01-01-2015   #83
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My camera is a 12 start serial Erik and has a brass rewind but it could have been changed as all others i've seen either side of my serial have been the silver version.
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Old 01-03-2015   #84
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I also have a 1969 124xxxx with brass rewind and black screws in the accessory shoe.
The self timer lever and frameline preview lever are black paint over brass but have black chrome retaining "things"
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Old 01-08-2015   #85
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My black M3.


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Old 01-09-2015   #86
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My black M3.
Very nice, impressive. It is sad you have to sell it.

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Old 01-15-2015   #87
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BP M4s are my favourite Leicas - for personal reasons going back to the person that introduced me to serious photography and Leicas. He had a BP M4 that was always in his hands. So when the time came to get my ideal Leica it was a BP M4, and another and another. Broke out my 'new' spare a few years ago when I sold my well used cameras so now down to one these days, but it will always be with me. Since I’ve had a few, and done a bit of research on them…

All BP M4s have paint applied directly to brass top and bottom plates, frame selector and self-timer levers, advance lever. From there it gets a little tricky. Early first run BP M4 versions had most of the small parts in brass with paint applied; caps on the frame selector self-timer, accessory shoe screws, both round main rewind part and flip-out rewind lever, and even the shutter speed dial and back ASA dial on some. I had a camera in the 12466xx range that had some of these brass black painted parts so it wasn’t just the very early cameras.

But most all of the BP M4s have these characteristics; Black anodised shutter speed dial, black anodised on alloy main round rewind part (with BP on brass flip-out lever), black anodised ASA dial, painted on alloy self-timer and frame selector caps, anodised front rangefinder adjustment screw. There are no original BP M4s with paint on ‘chrome’ or nickel parts. Its either anodised black or paint directly onto the base metal (brass or aluminium alloy) through to the last regular production of Wetzlar cameras in 1971. Just to make clear, there are no ‘black chrome’ cameras or parts until they were reintroduced (by popular demand for a short run) in 1974-75 and the [introduced with] M5’s black chrome plating process was used. Anodising (dying the metal surface black) was used on non-painted parts through out the production of BP M4s.

Of course as any Leica collector knows, there are exceptions to the rules, and undocumented variations do show up.

nobbylon- my BP M4 is just 10 cameras off of yours, nice very late production cameras we have! Looking at the photos of yours; its rewind is unusual to see with the all brass part this late. Any ‘R’ engraved, and rewind direction ‘arrow’ (can’t see in the photos)? Almost think based on what I see its a (early done) replacement part or being a late production they were running low on the usual alloy/brass part and going with whatever early/late parts were available in the parts box, later replacement part is usually a black chrome on alloy without R and direct arrow engraved part from later 74 black chrome M4 or M6.


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Hi, here is a pix of my M2 BP from 1963 bought from the 2nd original owner together with a 1958 BP Rigid Summicron !


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nice looking camera
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So, the question has been asked several times but not answered...

Who is still doing black paint jobs, or is willing to do them? My M3 has been waiting patiently for a number of years.

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An M2 I had a while back. This was featured on the Online Photographer blog.

Serviced by DAG, it has the "92" wax seal.



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So, the question has been asked several times but not answered...

Who is still doing black paint jobs, or is willing to do them? My M3 has been waiting patiently for a number of years.

Rolfe
Rolfe,
is your M3 a double stroke or single stroke ?
Jacques Fontana <[email protected]> - does paint jobs on M3 SS .
I believe he turns down the DS M3s due to their more delicate inner components.

Here is a link of a M2 he's done (I am not related to either persons): https:[email protected]/8585819409.

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What is on the viewfinder? I have never seen that before.
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Rolfe,
is your M3 a double stroke or single stroke ?
Jacques Fontana <[email protected]> - does paint jobs on M3 SS .
I believe he turns down the DS M3s due to their more delicate inner components.

Here is a link of a M2 he's done (I am not related to either persons): https:[email protected]/8585819409.

Best regards, JM
I have a SS M3 -- nice M2!

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What is on the viewfinder? I have never seen that before.
Screw in diopter.
They made them in brass, at that time.

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What is on the viewfinder? I have never seen that before.
Yes, an old style diopter as mentioned. Better made then the more recent offering with circular ridges and grip knobs on the edge, it was originally black paint but most of that is gone now showing the base brass metal.
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Rolfe,
is your M3 a double stroke or single stroke ?
Jacques Fontana <[email protected]> - does paint jobs on M3 SS .
I believe he turns down the DS M3s due to their more delicate inner components.

Here is a link of a M2 he's done (I am not related to either persons): https:[email protected]/8585819409.

Best regards, JM
CCR in Luton, UK.
Take a look here to see some great examples of his work on all kinds of Leica
bodies:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/Leica/page3.html
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CCR in Luton, UK.
Take a look here to see some great examples of his work on all kinds of Leica
bodies:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/Leica/page3.html
Thanks , great work !

Any experience on the delay to expect for a paint job to be done ?
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Old 06-30-2016   #100
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Thanks, Helen and Kevin!

To get this camera I had to sell off some stuff which was a good thing and it is so similar to my former M4-2 that I hardly notice a difference when using it.
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BLACK PAINT M's Post a pic of yours

I am still crying over my missed opportunity to buy a BP M4 in Shinjuku.
Congratulations Gabor!


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Thank you !

Prices have come down a little here but still higher as compared to Europe.

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original or repaint? looks in very nice condition if it's an original.
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original or repaint? what's going on with those strap lugs?
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A polite reminder that this thread is for original BP cameras. There's a seperate thread for repaints.
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Man, one of these days I'll have the coin to send my chrome M3 and 50DR to Kanto for a full black repaint. A black M3 has always been my holy grail.
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my M2 from 64' batch. well worn in.

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Some amazing cameras in this thread! Thought it was worth a bump.

I picked up this M4 recently. The paint probably looks a little better in this photo than in person, but it doesn't seem like its had a hard life. Besides a tiny bit of wear on some corners and an edge or two, the paint is pretty much perfect. Before I saw the evidence of brass coming through and thickness (or thinness) of existing paint, I wondered if it had been repainted some time in its life.
I'm currently tossing up whether I should get the rear door leatherette replaced or not as it's coming apart from the bottom edge. I'll probably hold off and just keep shooting with it for now.

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Very nice Arran. Fwiw, judging by the serial it's from a 1969 batch which contained both black paint and chrome bodies.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...n/index.php/M4

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Some amazing cameras in this thread! Thought it was worth a bump.

I picked up this M4 recently. The paint probably looks a little better in this photo than in person, but it doesn't seem like its had a hard life. Besides a tiny bit of wear on some corners and an edge or two, the paint is pretty much perfect. Before I saw the evidence of brass coming through and thickness (or thinness) of existing paint, I wondered if it had been repainted some time in its life.
I'm currently tossing up whether I should get the rear door leatherette replaced or not as it's coming apart from the bottom edge. I'll probably hold off and just keep shooting with it for now.
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Very nice Arran. Fwiw, judging by the serial it's from a 1969 batch which contained both black paint and chrome bodies.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...n/index.php/M4

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Thanks Philip. Yeah that was something I noticed, so decided to be cautious and didn't pay more than a chrome body price. The brass shining through is a positive sign, but I do know one can simply strip chrome back to brass to repaint.
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On later m4s were the strap eyelets all chrome no matter what colour the camera was?
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My 1969 BP M4 has chrome eyelets.
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Quite certain all strap eyelets were chrome on all M4s, BP or chrome models.
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