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Old 08-30-2016   #121
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The black chrome M4 has black eyelets - at least the ones I have seen online.
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Old 09-11-2016   #122
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Here's my original 1969 "on the list" bp M4.

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Old 09-11-2016   #123
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my M2 from 64' batch. well worn in.

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I hope my MP will look like that, some day...
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Old 01-16-2017   #124
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A repainted M3 (1963)


Collimation check
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Old 02-05-2017   #125
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A repainted M3 (1963)

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Who is he and what is he doing? Nice couple of shots!
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Old 02-06-2017   #127
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here's my m240 - i've recently put it up for sale on the Facebook leica classifieds, wish i could just update this body to M10 specs as all the bits of me that have been chipped off of this camera tell a story. that being said the photos taken with this camera tell a similar story.

anyway here's a few shots which i took on the iPhone 7+ in portrait mode which is pretty cool - email me if you dig the camera [email protected] or check my website @ www.jesselirola.com or on instagram @jesselirola or www.instagram.com/jesselirola ...







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Old 03-29-2017   #128
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Who is him and what is he doing? Nice couple of shots!
Thanks.
He is Juveny Lourenço and has just retired after a life time as a camera / lens specialist.
Not enough analog work anymore to carry on making a living as a repairman here in Rio de Janeiro.

In the previous photo you mentioned, Juveny was checking infinity, like this:


Juveny checking the Rolleiflex
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Here is a flickr album about Juveny in his former office:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/talega...57637945417085

And a picture of my 1963 M2 sporting a more recent 50 Summicron Rigid " MP Classic" :


BP M2 + 50 Summicron Rigid
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Old 04-01-2017   #129
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My IIIc in black paint.

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Old 04-01-2017   #130
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The IIIg in black of Cartier-Bresson.

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Old 04-01-2017   #131
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One of the first M2's in black paint, No 948009. (not mine)



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Old 04-01-2017   #132
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One of the first M2's in black paint, No 648009. (not mine)
Erik,
Do you have a picture of the Top Plate showing the SN ?
The reason I ask, is there the possibility that the SN starts with "9" (948009) ?
"648009" is very low SN for a BP M2. Very unusual, but possible I guess.
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Old 04-01-2017   #133
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I made a mistake! Thank you, Bob! I stand corrected.

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Old 04-01-2017   #134
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Black IIIc with Voigtländer Color-Skopar 50mm f2.5, one of the nicest non Leitz lenses for the screw-mount Leicas.

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Old 04-01-2017   #135
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Black IIIc with Voigtländer Color-Skopar 50mm f2.5, one of the nicest non Leitz lenses for the screw-mount Leicas.

Erik.
Very nice to see your cameras, Erik.
I was looking at this lens a while ago and also at the 50mm Elmar M. Do you think these two lenses have a similar look?

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Old 04-01-2017   #136
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The lenses are close, but the Elmar-M is better: sharper and zero distortion. But the Elmar-M does not fit on the screw mount cameras, is much more expensive and is not nearly as handy as the Color-Skopar.
See the Color-Skopar 50mm f/2.5 thread for pictures.

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I just purchased a black paint M4 on a trip to Japan. The serial number 1266xxx dates it to 1970 and appears on the list in the batch of 969 cameras. I will post pics when I can, but the body is all but unmarked, with the barest of fine scratches, and a hint of brass showing on the edge of the top plate above the self timer, and on the edge of the advance lever.

It seems to have the typical black anodised parts including the film rewind knob and ASA dial. However, the back door also appears to be black anodised. Can the experts confirm that this is plausibly correct for the date range?

As others have mentioned, it does feel curiously light compared to my chrome M2, albeit much smoother and warmer.

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I have one from the exact same batch, 1266xxx and mine has BP film rewind and back door. I would not however be concerned; Leica was notoriously easy about switching parts out if they ran out of something before the new production parts arrived. Not every anomoly has to be a sign of a fake, etc.
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Old 3 Weeks Ago   #139
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Thank you Sumo. I'm not concerned too much about the authenticity of the camera, or even the various parts, but I have read of the back door, amongst others, being fitted originally as both black paint, and black anodised.

I would be grateful for confirmation of both possibilities.

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I would be grateful for confirmation of both possibilities.
AFAIK, the back doors of the black M4's are painted only in case of the first batch with numbers started with 11XXXXX. The batches starting with 12XXXXX have anodized (aluminium) backs, rewind knobs and shutter speed knobs.

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Hi Erik,
Not really sure about that.... There are definitely Canadian M4's with BP in the 1270XXX range with brass rewind, shutter speed and painted back door frames, and I have seen other Wetzlar M4's in the 1266xxx range identical to that from high end reputable (historic) Leica sellers.

I am still thinking that the 'use of what was at hand' is the reality that fits the bill AFAIK?
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Hi Sumolux,

I didn't know that black paint M4's were made in Canada. How can you see that they're made in Canada?

Erik.

This is M4 no.1185225



And this is M4 no.1286618

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AFAIK, the back doors of the black M4's are painted only in case of the first batch with numbers started with 11XXXXX. The batches starting with 12XXXXX have anodized (aluminium) backs, rewind knobs and shutter speed knobs.

Erik.
Thank you for this information, Erik. It is most appreciated.

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Hi Erik,
Not really sure about that.... There are definitely Canadian M4's with BP in the 1270XXX range with brass rewind, shutter speed and painted back door frames, and I have seen other Wetzlar M4's in the 1266xxx range identical to that from high end reputable (historic) Leica sellers.

I am still thinking that the 'use of what was at hand' is the reality that fits the bill AFAIK?
Thank you again, Sumo. This at least suggests there may be more than one possibility for early vs late cameras.

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[quote=Erik van Straten;2719801]Hi Sumolux,

I didn't know that black paint M4's were made in Canada. How can you see that they're made in Canada?

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'Cause they are labeled as such
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Hi Sumolux,

I didn't know that black paint M4's were made in Canada. How can you see that they're made in Canada?

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'Cause they are labeled as such
The first M4 BP that I see labeled as made in Canada and the first with a black-painted ring around the shutter button.
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No idea if that camera is authentic, however
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No idea if that camera is authentic, however

...there were definitely M4's produced in Canada, along with M4-P and M4-2; but the lists show BC versions not BP for the Canadian production....It bears repetition however that special order finishes always remain an unknown factor, as well as lacuna's in the exisitng lists of serials.
At the moment I found a couple of these Canadian BC M4's from the 1970's online.

And no: I not selling anything !
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This camera does not at all look authentic to me.

I remember vaguely some Canadian military black paint (over chrome) cameras in the collection of Luigi "Leicatime", but this one does not look like those. This collection is unfortunately no longer online.

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Buyer Beware -- I question the authenticity of some of the black paint Leica items listed on Ebay.
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Hi Sumolux,

I didn't know that black paint M4's were made in Canada. How can you see that they're made in Canada?

Erik.

This is M4 no.1185225



And this is M4 no.1286618


So some black paint m4s came with chrome painted iso reminder and some brass painted?
Quite confusing.
Did all black paint M2 and M3 come with brass painted reminders?
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BP M discussion(s)

Regarding the discussion about BP M's, take a look here about an unusual M4:

https://www.cameraquest.com/m4mda.htm

Again we see there are many anomalies which defy the 'listed' variants and serial numbers.More proof that the Leica people were eminently practical in their production methods and little concerned with prescribed parts or finishes if something ran out...

There definitely are fakes out there to beware of; however there are also a number of absolutely original M4's, M3's and M2's that are getting a bad break with certain Leicaphiles becuase they cannot be pigeonholed.
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Again we see there are many anomalies which defy the 'listed' variants and serial numbers.More proof that the Leica people were eminently practical in their production methods and little concerned with prescribed parts or finishes if something ran out...
Yes, there are many anomalies because Leitz was the kind of company that performed individual customer orders.

Often black painted parts were no longer available; in that case Leitz used black chrome parts or even silver chrome parts. However, this was not the case in the normal series production, AFAIK.

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Did all black paint M2 and M3 come with brass painted reminders?
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Yes, in the normal production.

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My M4 BP + 50 Summilux
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Hi Eddie,

Welcome to RFF.

Beautiful M4 BP. Glad you didn't give up. Welcome aboard.
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I'm glad you didn't give up, Eddie. Welcome. That's a great looking camera.
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Since the photo I posted at the beginning seems to have disappeared, here's my TTL.


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My M4 BP + 50 Summilux
Nice one Eddie!

Welcome

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Welcome to RFF.

Beautiful M4 BP. Glad you didn't give up. Welcome aboard.
Thanks Bob.
Was a little pissed that I couldn't post, however read quite a few threads and in effect has made me continue my slowing down and smelling the roses.
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Since the photo I posted at the beginning seems to have disappeared, here's my TTL.


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Thanks philipus.

Gotta love that you shot your M6 on a Hassy
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