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Old 06-17-2009   #41
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I used to squeegee with a sponge and Photo-Flo but ran into trouble with sheet film. I swithced to Edwal LFN and drip dried. I never had any more problems. If a water spot shows up it will come off with film cleaner.
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Old 06-17-2009   #42
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I Drip dry.
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Old 07-09-2009   #43
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Wet a chamois - real or artificial - pull the film across the chamois two to three times on each side, and hang to dry. No scratches, no water marks.
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Old 07-09-2009   #44
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but I do real printing.
I take issue with this formulation, personally. Inkjet printing is as real as any other printing method.

I tried a few rolls of drip-dry and just cannot get it to dry without really bad spotting. I went back to the sponge, though very gently. I would like to try those photowipes though!
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Old 07-09-2009   #45
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squeegeed once or twice
BUT ended up preferring
a Quick Spin of the Fingers down the roll
once I do a thinned down version of ILFOTOL /wetting agent

anyone interested in a squeegee
PM me its Yours
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Old 07-09-2009   #46
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I don't develop much film now, but when I did I never squeeged. Just use Photoflow wash. Another good suggestion is to hang the strip at a 45 degree angle so the water will run off of each frame separately, instead of cascading down the entire film strip. I always used to hang vertically and never had any problems.

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Old 07-29-2009   #47
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I take issue with this formulation, personally. Inkjet printing is as real as any other printing method.
I am sorry if that insults you. I mean analog printing in a wet darkroom, or rather analog retouching vs digital one.

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Old 07-30-2009   #48
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I always use a Jobo squeegee and always rinse the blades well then shake them dry immediately before I use it. Never have any problems with scratches. I don't use any wetting agent but I do have the advantage of living in a soft water area.
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Old 07-31-2009   #49
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I am sorry if that insults you. I mean analog printing in a wet darkroom, or rather analog retouching vs digital one.

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Old 08-02-2009   #50
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I have a small, cheap Kindermann dryer. I drop reels into it, push the button and wait for 45min or so. No squeegee needed.
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Old 08-02-2009   #51
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No more problems since I use a Jobo drying cabinet (bag type)
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Old 08-03-2009   #52
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Any physical contact risks damage. All you need is piece of grit on the squeegee that failed to wash off when you prewet it or something on the film that you scrap down thus damaging multiple frames instead of one.

An air compressor is best to remove excess water if you are in a hurry.
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Old 08-04-2009   #53
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What I do is first run some hot water into the bath so there's a bit of humidity to reduce airborne dust, then during the rinse and for the final rinse I use wetting agent, and hang the film over the bath and let it drip-dry.

I'm in a hard water area, but so far I've never had any water marks and very few problems with dust.
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Old 08-19-2009   #54
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Only idea to squeeg it, get my hairs up
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Old 09-20-2009   #55
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Never. I use PhotoFlo at half the recommended concentration in distilled water, shake the film, and have never had scratches or water marks. The distilled water is worth it, considering how much you spend on time, film, and chemicals. The DW portion cost ($0.79 gallon) is $0.09/roll 120 (9 rolls per gallon) or $0.05/roll 35mm (16 rolls per gallon).
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Old 09-20-2009   #56
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My final film dunk is in Photoflo, then I hand up the film, then dunk my two fingers in the Photoflo where I just had then film, then finger squeege. I never have spots on my film.
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Old 09-21-2009   #57
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Old 09-21-2009   #58
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Never squeege films.

But prints... not necessary for RC, but I have yet to make a satisfactory FB prints worth fixing, let alone wash and dry
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Old 09-28-2009   #59
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I really can't think of any good reason for a squeegee to be involved anywhere in the darkroom, except for maybe a big floor squeegee when cleaning up the wet area of a big gang darkroom.
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Old 01-10-2010   #60
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No matter how careful I was, no matter how clean I got the squeegee, no matter what...I've always noticed small scratches on the film. Nope. Drip dry for me. But prints, yes.
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Old 05-17-2011   #61
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I never squeegee my films, but after rinsing I make an additional final wash with distilled water an a little amount of Ilford or Ornano wetting agent ( 1-2 minutes) than I put the spiral with the film in a salat spinner (+ one empty to balance it) and spin for 30"- 40" and all water drops go away and the film is ready to be hang (in the wet shower cabin).
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Old 05-17-2011   #62
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After a photo flo bath I put my film (on reel) in a salad spinner and let the film rotate. All water is "centrifugated" off and no need to touch the delicate wet film with fingers. Works for me since decades. Then it hangs down to dry.
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Old 09-05-2011   #63
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Old thread now!

I still squeege 135 mm but I have learned not to do so with 120 film ... I don't know why but it seems the emulsions are softer and although you don't see scratches as such there appears to be faint tramlines in under exposed areas occasionally after scanning.
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Old 09-05-2011   #64
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35mm is about 135um thin and roll film about 100um thin. So it's more difficult to squeegee a roll film. The emulsion is about the same.
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Old 09-06-2011   #65
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No squeegee, hanging it wet after photoflo it, trying to touch the negative as less as possible. If some little water spots are left, I use pantiliner to wipe it out carefully.
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Old 09-06-2011   #66
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I use a regular clean sponge not used far anything else. I wet it, squeeze dry, fold and run it over the 35 or 120 thru it ONE time.
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Old 09-09-2011   #67
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I've been using a Jobo squeegee for a while now but every time I use it I scrub the blades with a stiff brush under running water for a second or two. Depending on air born dust it can be a better option for getting the emulsion surface tack free in less time and a resulting cleaner negative ... provided the squeegee is used effectively and carefully there is little problem IMO!
This what I do also, I thoroughly wash the squeegee blades in warm water before, and don't have problems, essential though to use fresh solution if you don't want water marks whatever you do I think.
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Old 09-09-2011   #68
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Drip Dry....After a minute in Photo-Flo 1:200, takes 2 hours in a humid bathroom with no AC/Heat on...
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Old 10-22-2011   #69
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I use latex/acrylic gloves when developing so I don't get chemicals on my hands or finger prints on the film, after a small amount of photoflo I hang the strips and lightly 'squeegee' the film with my gloved fingers (removing excessive bubbling or large drops of water)
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Old 01-02-2012   #70
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Earlier in this thread I admitted to using a squeegee - now I have to reconsider.

I see some very faint scratches in a recent negative, which are long and must have come from the squeegee. Can only see them in bright light and with the film held "just so". No problem when scanned, but it is showing up when I print using the enlarger.

No more squeegee for me. I shoulda listened.

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Old 01-02-2012   #71
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not lookin' for problems where there aren't any. No squeegee.
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Old 03-02-2012   #72
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Final minute or two rinse with distilled water, no wiping, no Photo-Flo. Works fine. When I used to use Photo-Flo, I wiped down each side separately (no squeezing), very slowly to allow the water to soak in, with a folded paper towel. That worked well, also: no scratches ever. But I like distilled water the best.
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Old 04-10-2012   #73
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Final minute or two rinse with distilled water, no wiping, no Photo-Flo. Works fine.
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Old 04-10-2012   #74
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Squeegee with two fingers dipped in photo-flo. Never a scratch in 45 years.
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Old 04-16-2012   #75
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.................... and i put my 120 or 135 film in a salad spinner and ....................
I was intrigued when the salad spinner got brought up earlier (thanks, if that was you Thomas). Since I do not have a salad spinner, I tried flinging my extended arm around holding a reel of wet film in my hand. I do it four times with each half of the reel facing forward. It does fling almost all the water off so that I no longer have to squeege it to have it dry quickly with no dust. So after many decades of using a squeege with no problems, I no longer even bother.
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Old 04-19-2012   #76
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No squegee for me. I'm too paranoid about scratches. The problem isn't water on the negatives, it's what left of it once it has dried.
I found that using destilled water for the final rinse and just wiping the film between two moist fingers before drying gives me absolutely spotless negatives, even if they are quite wet when I hang them to dry. I mean super clean and shiny. I was very impressed the first time I tried it.
Even putting a cloth or some other filter around the faucet makes a difference if you don't have any destilled water at hand.
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Old 04-28-2012   #77
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I cut a grocery store sponge in half. It stays in a ziplock bag, kept moist with photo-flo. With one sponge behind the film, the other in front, applying just enough pressure to keep the sponges from falling (almost no pressure against the film), I move them very slowly down the film, allowing enough time for the water to transfer from film to sponge. One pass only. No scratches in 30 years of doing this.
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I use my fingers as a squeegee
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The squeege dilemma is a non starter. If you do not use it, you never risk to scratch film, on the other hand, if you use it, it never adds anything to the process of film drying, that could not be achieved without it, I never squeege, and never have any drying marks on my negatives - no scratches either.
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Last rinse in photoflo and two wet finger strip and hand to dry no issues for me.
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