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Old 07-13-2007   #41
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You can download meizenberg's book from russian rangefinder site.
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Since the Zorki 3 is the one model FED/Zorki I don't own (yet)...I think you're both cruel to post pics!
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The 3s were low volume, like Fed/Zorkis.

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This isn't a Sticky yet

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When it's finally stickied, can we remove the "Bump" posts? (I'll remove this one when it is.)
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Excellent idea, excellent work Wolves (and you all).
For French readers, this link is worthwhile:
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I don't have time to translate parts of it, but I'll try to pick up some relevant information.
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Wolves, first, good job compiling.
Secondly, why don't you PM backalley or rover (or whoever the mod in charge) to get them to sticky this thread? At least that way they have the chance to explain whether they are ok with it or not. I think it'd be more efficient than bumping, no?
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Zorki.1 Review

I have 3 Zorki.1s - models B, C & D. All are export models nicknamed "Zorki-Zorki" for having their name written twice on top in both English and Cyrillic. Zorki.1 is probably the closest Zorki (in size and function) to the legendary Leica.II.

To my knowledge, the Zorki.Zorki always has engraved names/numbers as opposed to some later model Zorki.1s that have stamped names and logos. I've read that the stamped models seem to have a little lighter material for the top plate construction.

The plus side of Zorki.1 IMHO is it's size and simplicity. The small RF/VF allow a very low top housing and the no hinge/no back door keep it short and thin making it quite easily slipped into a jacket pocket or very small fanny pack for carry-round if a strap us unwanted. I thought the lack of strap lugs would be a big minus, but even on other Zorkis I have which do have lugs, I found the use of a half-case to be a lot more sturdy and convenient for my uses so I don't miss the lugs at all.

I have at times even loaded two Zorki.1 bodies with film, put my lens of choice on one and a body cap on the other and slid it into my side vest pocket before going out to shoot. When the film is used up on the first, I pull out the spare body, install the lens and drop the used body back in my pocket, ready to go - no fumbling with film leaders and spools on the run.

The bottom loading of a Zorki.1 puts off some folks, but the fact is, it's breeze after the first 4 or 5 rolls. It doesn't for some folks, but for me it takes a few more seconds than loading something with a back door. But hey, who am I? Mr. Big Shot Innahurry? Right. Nowadays, I prefer bottom loaders over all others.

Simplicity-wise, well, for taking pictures, there's three controls. Wind knob, shutter speed dial and of course, shutter release. There's no diopter adjustment, no self-timer, no flash sync, no LCD screen.

My B & D models have B + 5 speeds; 25, 50, 100, 250 & 500. The C has the "Z" setting instead of B and a whopping 7 speeds; 20, 30, 40, 60, 100, 200, 500. On a rare occasion I miss the slow speeds (below 1/20) of my Leica.IIIs or other Zorkis, but not that often. To my surprise, the positive thing about minimal shutter speeds for me is minimal choices = minimal putzing with controls. Even if you're not that good at using Sunny.16, when you've only got 5 speeds [or 7 at most] to choose from, you don't kill alot of time making the big decision. You get to spend more time looking at what you want to shoot and not missing the right moment.

All-in-all, the Zorki.1 for me is a good, compact, durable, old-school Russian "point-n-shoot" that takes LTM lenses. It's size encourages me to carry it more often, even when I'm not plannng to shoot. Simple is better so there's not much there to scew up or distract me from the enjoyment of actually photographing with the camera as opposed to playing with the camera and going home with no visual bounty (which I've done more times than I want to admit.) They're comfortable in my hands and the controls are a nice size so they're not fiddly.

**Prices on the models with stamped names/logos seem to run a little cheaper with export Zorki-Zorkis maybe 20-30% higher, but there appears to be plenty of Zorki.1s still out there to enjoy.
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edit: Here's a list of possible production dates for Zorki.1 according to serial numbers. These were posted by RFF member Ulrich on another thread. Thanks Ulrich!!

1948: 500 - 2136
1949: 2137 - 17137
1950: 17138 - 55324
1951: 55325 - 125826
1952: 125827 - 254579
1953: 254580 - 406730
1954: 406731 - 667231
1955: 8 digits begins with year
1956: 8 digits begins with year
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Also, he's provided serial number/date info for the very similar FED.1.

FED 1 SERIAL NUMBERS:
1934 SN 000031 - 004000
1935 SN 004001 - 016000
1936 SN 016001 - 031000
1937 SN 031001 - 053000
1938 SN 053001 - 082000
1939 SN 082001 - 116000
1940 SN 116001 - 148000
1941 SN 148001 - 175000
1942 - 45 (World War Two)
1946 SN 175001 - 176000
1947 SN 176001 - 186000
1948 SN 186001 - 203000
1949 SN 203001 - 221000
1950 SN 221001 - 248000
1951 SN 248001 - 289000
1952 SN 289001 - 341000
1953 SN 341001 - 424000
1954 SN 424001 - 560000
1955 SN 560001 - 700000

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Wolves, first, good job compiling.
Secondly, why don't you PM backalley or rover (or whoever the mod in charge) to get them to sticky this thread? At least that way they have the chance to explain whether they are ok with it or not. I think it'd be more efficient than bumping, no?
Thanks for the comment. You assume, however, that I didn't PM a mod (although you're right, I didn't). From previous experience, mods seem to be rather busy people and either don't read or don't notice a PM - that's not meant as an attack on the mods, merely an observation. If you've read the posts, several people have requested it stickied. Hopefully a mod will read it and sticky it at some point, if they approve...
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Calling all Moderators---Could you consider this for setting up as a 'sticky',assuming all Bumps will be deleted to reduce the space used.

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Thanks for the comment. You assume, however, that I didn't PM a mod (although you're right, I didn't). From previous experience, mods seem to be rather busy people and either don't read or don't notice a PM - that's not meant as an attack on the mods, merely an observation. If you've read the posts, several people have requested it stickied. Hopefully a mod will read it and sticky it at some point, if they approve...
wolves, I didn't assume anything, sorry if my question is offensive

I just PM'ed Rover and Joe (back alley) requesting this thread to be stickified, not a problem if they ignored me, but maybe they will oblige. Let's see.
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Calling all Moderators---Could you consider this for setting up as a 'sticky',assuming all Bumps will be deleted to reduce the space used.

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Thanks Mr Mods!!

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I've taken the leap!!!

Decided, since I'm supposedly a russian linguist , and studied the russian military, that it was time to see how well the FED-1 worked. Just ordered one ... Now the wait.
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Ahhh, yes. That's the anthem of every FSU gearhead alright. "Just ordered one - now the wait!! and wait! and wait!"
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Guess I'll have time to finish some of my other projects then, .... Digital M3, Trashed Leica II refurb/CLA/Total Rebuild ....
That would be the wise plan. Unfortunately, I usually spend my *wait.time* shopping for the next purchase.
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Hi, I found it's a little difficult to find the dimension data of these FSU cameras, the height, width, depth, etc. I already have a Fed 3b which I think is quite similar to Zorki 4 in both having slow shutters. But since Zorki 4 has a good lens, I am thinking of buying a set of Zorki 4 and J-8, or saving money and looking for a good J-3. I think Fed 3 is a little bit bigger than I like. Is a Zorki 4 more compact than it?

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Hi, I found it's a little difficult to find the dimension data of these FSU cameras, the height, width, depth, etc. I already have a Fed 3b which I think is quite similar to Zorki 4 in both having slow shutters. But since Zorki 4 has a good lens, I am thinking of buying a set of Zorki 4 and J-8, or saving money and looking for a good J-3. I think Fed 3 is a little bit bigger than I like. Is a Zorki 4 more compact than it?

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A FED 3b and Zorki 4 are almost exactly the same size. The Zorki looks a little smaller simply because it has a stepped-top, where the FED is "square". The Zorki has 3 bumps on the bottom which make is stand a fraction taller, however. If you want smaller you'll have to sacrifice the slow speeds because all smaller models don't have them. To be honest, only the FED1, Zorki 1 and Zorki 2 are significanly smaller than the rest, especially with collapsible lenses.

If you want them graded in size (approximately, it depends if you count knobs & levers):

Zorki & FED 1___FED 2___Zorki 2/2C___Zorki 5 & 6, Kiev (unmetered)___FED 3 & Zorki 3 & 4 ___FED 4 & 5, Kiev (metered)
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For reasons I don't follow, editing the post above crashes my browser! The size order was meant to say Zorki C/2C not 2/2C. a Zorki 2 is the same size as a Zorki 1, I believe.
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So..... while I'm waiting.....

What is a good, appropriate Russian portrait length lens to go on the FED-1?

I have a Canon 100/2 for my 7s/0.95 combo....Do the russians have anything similar in the 100mm range?

And, how about speed? What is a reasonably fast russian lens for this body?
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So..... while I'm waiting.....

What is a good, appropriate Russian portrait length lens to go on the FED-1?

I have a Canon 100/2 for my 7s/0.95 combo....Do the russians have anything similar in the 100mm range?

And, how about speed? What is a reasonably fast russian lens for this body?
There are effectively 2 choices, Dr Leo, neither of which is exactly what you want

These are:

1) The f2 85mm Jupiter 9 - an excellent lens, although sometimes requiring adjustment (it is said) due to inept reassembly by previous owners.

2) The f4 135mm Jupiter 11, which has a fairly undistinguished reputation, probably as much to do with the current unpopularity of the length as with any optical deficiency.

The prewar FED f6.3 100mm is a collectors item and is most unlikely to work on a standard LTM FED 1.

The Jupiter 9 is the Soviet portrait lens par excellence.

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Got My Fed-1

Thenks and much appreciate you ramarks about the lens recommencations and ....

I got the camera this afternoon, 10 days .... NOT bad.

I am really pleased with the initial appearance and feel, ... nice, well constructed. There has been a repaint to make it a "Black FED" but that is ok with me. Seems to work very well, now to run some film through.

Shutter sounds good, lens focus mechanism is greasy, aperture is smooth and glass is clean. Curtains look new, obviously, black paint is new, interior is spotless.

I'm very pleased with this camera and will enjoy putting it through its paces.
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Got all the dirty grease cleaned out of the focus and lens mount threads and relubed them with my special fluorocarbon lube (NO volatiles, No creep) .

Boy, how smooth the focus now...nice and easy. Off I to to do some shooting...
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Enjoy!

Depending how old the FED 1 is you may have some issues if you try other lenses. Firstly, the pre-war (ish) FEDs had non-standard threads that will not accept later lenses. Secondly, the lens and body were matched, originally, to each other and other lenses *might* not focus properly.

Jocko forgot to mention a fast lens - that'll be the Jupiter 3 50mm f/1.5. They also suffer from the effects of inept repairmen, I believe.

The Jupiter 9 is also a fast lens at f/2. Many of these have been disassembled and put together again incorrectly, resulting in an inability to focus. Beware, if you buy one - make sure there's some sort of guarantee/return policy!
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Thanks for the advice, I am now starting the hunt...

Was easily able to screw my Summarit 50/1.5,Canon 100/2 and Nokton 50/1.5 on and smoothly focus with all so I guess I got lucky with the threads, although, I did get A LOT of crud out of them when I cleaned them.

My "Fedoshka" is looking fine.
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Thanks for the advice, I am now starting the hunt...

Was easily able to screw my Summarit 50/1.5,Canon 100/2 and Nokton 50/1.5 on and smoothly focus with all so I guess I got lucky with the threads, although, I did get A LOT of crud out of them when I cleaned them.

My "Fedoshka" is looking fine.
One major thing I forgot to mention when fitting other lenses - make sure any lens that you try has a full-circle RF cam on it. Some non-FSU ones didn't and they can hang up on the RF sensor. Once mounted it's not possible to remove them again from a bottom-loading FSU! I'm not sure which lenses these are had but it's a known issue...
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Fed-1 Arrived/Canon 1.8 arrived - Now together

I like this look, lens fits easily and looks nice.
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I like this look, lens fits easily and looks nice.
Looks a nice example, it's a FED 1g. Interestingly it's the only FED with a locking shutter-release (and the Zorki 1 was the only Zorki without it!). You shouldn't have any particular focussing issues since the later ones were (supposedly) standardised, I believe. Just beware the circular cam issue with any lenses you try on this, since it's a bottom loader!

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One major thing I forgot to mention when fitting other lenses - make sure any lens that you try has a full-circle RF cam on it. Some non-FSU ones didn't and they can hang up on the RF sensor. Once mounted it's not possible to remove them again from a bottom-loading FSU! I'm not sure which lenses these are had but it's a known issue...
Wolves: This is a very important observation.
FSU cameras have a fixed metal piece in the RF coupling arm which touches the lens barrel.
Leicas have a similar arrangement but the feeler is a small bearing (donīt know if itīs a ball bearing or not), which rotates.
This is the reason why a non flat shaped lens coupling tongue is OK for the Leicas and may produce a horrible situation when used in a Zorki or Fed.

As an example, the Leitz Hektor 135 f 4.5 (both prewar or postwar) has a a trapezoid shaped RF tongue which protrudes about 1 mm when focused to the minimum distance. Unless the tongue angles are very smoothly rounded, itīs almost impossible to mount it on a Zorki (or FED).

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Both of you make excellent points about the focus pawl in the Fed, it is a fine little point which can get caught behind one of the tab type lens couplings. All of the lenses I have tried have been "full circle" or very broad tab type rangefinder coplings. Interesting how sharp this rider is....

I have dis-assembled a number of the regular leica rangefinder couplers and find that they are just a round steel bearing surface, no ball or pin bearings in evidence, other than the shaft.

The Fedka is actually a more finely adjustable assembly from what I can see.

I also must amend my previous post, the Canon 100/2 does screw into the threads just fine, but, because of the tab coupling, cannot be fully screwed down to the flange. Darn.... And thenks for the cautions, gang.
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Old 09-23-2007   #73
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Hi All...
This is a great Thread to be "Stickyed."

I have a Fed-2c in the mail from Oleg, having been CLA'd, and a Zorki-4 is waiting
for me at the PO. Lenses for checking them out include an excellent Fed 50/3.5 Collapsible, I-26m, I-61 l/d and the lovely Jupiter 8, 50/2. A recently arrived J-12, 35/2.8 is as yet untested.

Do I assume correctly that these lenses will work OK on the Fed-2c and Z4?
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Old 09-24-2007   #74
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Mike:
All FSU made LTM lenses can be used in your cameras.
Only exceptions to this are the old M39 lens made for the old Zeniths which had a different register (lens mounting plane to film plane) than 28.8 mm.
Unfortunately I do not remember lens names to tell which are.

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Mike,

One common lense to be avoided is the MIR 37mm (it's 39mm but an SLR-design, a great lens but useless on LTM). It's often advertised as "39mm, for FED/Zorki etc". One to be careful of is the Jupiter 11 135mm, which came in Zenit-39mm and LTM-39mm mounts; make sure you get the right one!

The Industar 50 also came in both mounts - the very squat version is for Zenit SLRs. Also, anything with a stop-down ring (pre-set) is not suitable.

The old FED uncoated collapsibles may not thread onto a newer mount and may have focus issues. Other than that, avoid anything that doesn't have a full-circle RF coupling cam (all FSU lenses DO have this) because they can hang up on the RF sensor tip.
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Hi All...
This is a great Thread to be "Stickyed."

I have a Fed-2c in the mail from Oleg, having been CLA'd, and a Zorki-4 is waiting
for me at the PO. Lenses for checking them out include an excellent Fed 50/3.5 Collapsible, I-26m, I-61 l/d and the lovely Jupiter 8, 50/2. A recently arrived J-12, 35/2.8 is as yet untested.

Do I assume correctly that these lenses will work OK on the Fed-2c and Z4?
Thanks, Mike
Nice starters! Yes, they'll all interchange and should give no problems. You may find the I-26m and I-61 L/D have lousy focussing unless they've been re-lubed. All six of mine needed it, badly!

I doubt you will tell the difference between the I-26m and I-61 L/D to be honest. The FED 50 reputedly is sharper at the edges and the J-8 is just a nice lens. As for the J-12, I was blown away with the picture quality of mine - you should love it!
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I like this look, lens fits easily and looks nice.



Now that`s "From Russia With Love" really looks crazy that Black FED and that kool Canon f1.8 a nice choice......I wanna see some PIX done with it soon!

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Hi, it is a table of hyperfocal distances for various f-stops.
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Hello all... RF newbie here...

I've read through the threads, and after deciding on a Russian vs. Yashica RF, I'll go for a russian. It seems that the top contenders here are a Fed 2, Zorki 6 and an early model Kiev 4.

Can you help me narrow my choices further? I most likely will be making my acquisition from eBay.

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