What did I just buy? Leica I
Old 02-22-2017   #1
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What did I just buy? Leica I

https://www.ebay.com/itm/222410700777

Found this late last night as I was conking out,

Threw a conservative bid on it and forgot about it until lunch today at work,

Having a minute or so left I bumped by bid up while attempting some quick research, well I'd rather eat my lunch while ya'll feed me the info I'm after!

Thanks in advance!
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Old 02-22-2017   #2
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Ha I had my eye on this camera.
I thought of fixing it up, but the money that would have gone into it is going to another project now.
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Devin,

I might have a spare window from my M6 in my box of parts that I can snail-mail you that might be good to replace the cracked glass on your "new" camera's VF'er.

I much admire your spirit for evil projects like this. I love the history and the sense of mystery that is part of your new camera's character.

Sherry unexpectedly changed the windows on my M6, and the new windows are definately an improvement.

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Cal your to kind! I'll keep that in mind and give you a shout when and if I need it. Thanks bud!

Now that I have a Orange IIc and a lovely chrome M8 I couldn't resist poking around for a Standand. Ive wanted one for so long but always kept clear at the prices I've always seen.

The paint looks super rough... so MAYBE I'll have a Orangie 2.0!
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Old 02-22-2017   #5
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Congratulations! I'm glad you got it. It looks rough but I bet you can get it going and they are fun to use. I have a Leica 1 from 1929, this is a later camera. That means you can use an original lens or a later one. Dag should have the parts you need. I bet inside it's not as bad as it looks. Good Luck, Joe
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Joe, Thanks!

I appreciate your commentary on its potential age!

The serial number is beyond recognition, although I suspect It's just oxidation and primer dust. I can faintly make out the existence of the body plug in the back. Could you say if this might be a Model C? (Projecting my wants here lol)

The Elmar is #147110
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Joe, Thanks!

I appreciate your commentary on its potential age!

The serial number is beyond recognition, although I suspect It's just oxidation and primer dust. I can faintly make out the existence of the body plug in the back. Could you say if this might be a Model C? (Projecting my wants here lol)

The Elmar is #147110
Devin,

Body plug would be an earlier body I believe. Also it is hard to tell if the knobs are nickel or chrome. Somewhere in the later 30's Leica switched to chrome. Patina looks to be nickel to me.

I had an early Model "F" Leica II that had no plug, but nickel knobs.

Anyways I love all the character.

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It might be a 1932 Leica Standard. The lens serial is consistent with that year and so is the shutter curtain overlap. Body serials were 101001-106000 but I wasn't able to make out six distinct digits from the image. In any case, you'll know the serial # if you ever take the top off. If so be careful unscrewing the shroud below the shutter dial; looks like it might be a bearcat. Aki Asahi can do a covering for that camera if you ask him. The rear plug hole is pre-cut but you have to add the holes for the front body screws. Your standard revolving punch tool has the correct size. Agreed, check with DAG for he VF part.

All in all a good project. Congrats.
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Thanks a ton that's really helpful!
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What skin would be reccomended?

Many Thanks!
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Aki did the covering for my1932 Leica II in pattern 4008. You really can't go wrong with it.
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The large rewind knob suggests a Leica I (C) but the square accessory shoe implies a Standard (E).

I can't remember the date when the accessory shoe became squareish as per this example, as mentioned '32 seems a good bet. I have seen Leica Is with square shoes. Lens is 32/33 methinks.

The covering is not original. You could go back to original vulcanite but that would involve a long and expensive trip to the UK. Personally I'd start by cleaning (not polishing) the whole thing very carefully and seeing how it looks before deciding on a course of action. Who knows, with a gentle clean and perhaps even sticking what is left of the covering back down it may well 'look the part' in an 'oily rag' sort of way.

As to the mechanics, time will tell!
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Looks like a 5-digit serial number on the body. 1932-ish would be in the ballpark
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The Elmar could be 1933, the well known French site suggests a range of dates and 1933 seems the most likely.

I'll second the clean it and see what you find motion but I often wonder why people don't dust things before putting them on ebay. OTOH, would you have got it if it was clean and a serious bidding war had started?

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I would have never bid if it was clean.

Now I have to many 50's lol (my sanity speaking)
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Devin,

I located the M6 windows last night if you need them.

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The Elmar could be 1933, the well known French site suggests a range of dates and 1933 seems the most likely.

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David,

Odd that 'the well known French site' straddled the lens serial number but didn't get a direct hit. I've not seen that before.

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I also went a visited that French site yesterday afternoon and got the same hit with serials from 28' and 33' with my serial collecting a blank between the two.

I suppose the camera will tell all when it shows up next week.
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I would clean it with some alcohol or lighter fluid, then gently polish any oxidized black with some Mothers Mag polish. Follow with a good auto wax. It may look very good once that is done, with some brassing. I would not shine the brassing parts too much, concentrate on the paint. That way, it will have an old look still, not super shiny brass that is obviously just done.
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Devin,

I am pretty sure that this will be a very pretty camera. Mucho cool. Congrats.

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Now how do you all carry these things without strap lugs!

Lol, I have a old case I can sew a strap to I guess.
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Now how do you all carry these things without strap lugs!

Lol, I have a old case I can sew a strap to I guess.
Devin,

DAG sells these belt clips that capture the tripod socket. With an o-ring from my physics lab one could improv a neck strap without the strap lugs.

If DAG is out of stock I have one.

You know me I'm a hoarder. LOL.

DAG and others sell wrist straps that capture the tripod socket also.

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Get the "peel & stick" strap lugs made especially for Leica Standard.



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Peel and stick lugs!?!

Tell me more good sir'
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Yes that seems like weird....
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Congrats. In looking at the camera closely, are you equipped to process Hazmat material?
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Congrats. In looking at the camera closely, are you equipped to process Hazmat material?
Im just gonna take it in the shower with me before work, two dirty birds, one wet stone.
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Sorry for the diversion, I was able to buy a 1938 Leica Ie equipped with lugs, somewhat of a rarity.
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I make a quiet dick joke and it's crickets...

Give me some action!

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Looks like a pretty good deal to me.
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I have one like that! Looks like our's should be really close in serial #.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...d.php?t=155507

I did better though price wise! Still a nice find!!!
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Analoged, nice!

I'm happy with the price and excited to own it. We will have to compare serials when it shows next week!
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Odd that 'the well known French site' straddled the lens serial number but didn't get a direct hit. I've not seen that before.

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Yea, I wondered too but you never know on the internet. Books published before the internet usually leave out everything prior to 1933 and start with S/No 156 001

I don't know what to believe after ready this article:-

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ting-war-study

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Now how do you all carry these things without strap lugs!

Lol, I have a old case I can sew a strap to I guess.
Yeah, getting an old half case or full case and sticking some fresh straps on should do.
There are a few modern ones available for the lug-less Leicas; Kenji and Luigi to name a couple.
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Yea, I wondered too but you never know on the internet. Books published before the internet usually leave out everything prior to 1933 and start with S/No 156 001

I don't know what to believe after ready this article:-

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ting-war-study

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Nothing existed before 1933, it was all black and white then.
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In olden days we would spit on our Summars and polish them up with our ties. Surely made the pictures much better indeed in 50 years time someone will discover that saliva is an excellent alternative to coating.

Sorry, have gone off topic somewhat. Looking forward to hearing about the OP's camera.
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Hi,

Figures are available for the number of cameras made in 1932, about 26,000; mostly model II's.

So we could guess that that many lenses were made and take 26,000 from 156,001 and start the 1932 lens production at about 130,000 but it's a rough figure. Even so 147,XXX falls in 1932.

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