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Old 10-12-2016   #1
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Xt1 vs Xt2.... now what do you think?

How's it going with your Xt2?
Are you really feeling a major improvement over your XT1?
The camera has had a month or so on the street... lets hear some feedback!

Sure... there are a few more pixels to crop away.
Dual card slots are handy when you need them.
Better video if you use it.

My question to adopters is... has the XT2 really improved your work over the XT1 and how ?

Other models is more obvious....The Xpro2 has clear performance improvements over the original Xpro1. (Speed being the major upgrade. af, write, refresh... etc.)

Taking away the 24mp vs 16mp and....When your on a shoot,..Is it as clear that the XT2 is such a major improvement over the XT1 ?

As an aside... Are you using Acros? Does it make the cut for you vs Converting from RAW at the desktop ?

I'm not trying to decide on an upgrade rather, would like to read what you all have experienced.

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I've shot perhaps 60 frames, so the following are VERY initial impressions, and some questions.

My Acros .jpgs seem more contrasty than the BW ones from my X-T1 - but I LURVE Acros, and I've been using it exclusively, aside from a few colour film simulation tests.

On my computer screens, Acros .jpgs at high ISOs, look like 120 TriX shots from my old Rolleiflex, i.e., great.

I haven't converted anything from Raw, and I haven't printed anything yet, so I can't comment about that.

I'm shooting Fine .jpg + compressed Raw, and I don't know of any software that handles the X-T2's compressed Raw files.
- Do any of you folks have any suggestions ?

Although I don't have the accessory battery holder, I turned on boost performance. Everything seems faster than my X-T1, and I haven't had to re-charge batteries much more than I did when I used my X-T1 - but early days still.

In the X-T2, I'm using the new battery that came with the body, as well as the old battery from my X-T1, and two Watson batteries I also used in my X-T1. Everything seems fine - though I've been told not to use the old battery in burst mode, or the camera will lock up !

By the way, I try to remember to re-charge the older batteries in my X-T1 charger.
- Does anyone know whether that's important?

I discovered, to my embarrassment, in public, that using the electronic shutter only, turns off the flash.

I've tried to use the tiny slider on the left side of the screen to unlatch it, to use the vertical (portrait) orientation of the screen; but it's hard to do quickly.

- Also, I wonder whether the larger eyepiece will help me see into the corners of the viewfinder. Has anyone tried the larger eyepiece?
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I've never owned a X-T1 although I've used one briefly in the past, however the X-T2 has been a major improvement over the X-Pro1 and X-E2 that I've used and owned, although I still prefer a RF style body.

Have to agree with Acros, love this simulation that I'm now shooting RAW+Fine (Acros Y)
Only reason I'm shooting RAW is so that I can generate a color file for my wife.
Otherwise the native Acros file is just great.
Subtle difference than the B&W simulation but the grain is very film like.

here's a test shot with the X-T2 + SMC 55mm f/2

Fuji X-T2, Pentax SMC 55mm f2 by Earl Dieta, on Flickr

Big Ursus, which larger eyepiece are you refering to?

Only thing I dont really like with the X-T2 is the AF-L button on the back, I like to use it as BBF(back button focus) however it's so small that it's hard to press so instead I'm using the front custom button but it doesnt feel natural.
Oh and the view mode button, I feel like it's placed in a weird spot that can be hard to press.
Also I wish Fuji would make a view mode where you only use the EVF, then the LCD for preview and menu. Why would someone access the full menu in EVF!
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Coming over into Fuji from Nikon and just gotten my X-T2. Yes I agree totally, why isn't there a view mode for LCD for preview and menu only?
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That's seems to be a question Fuji has heard repeatedly over the years. No idea what the issue is but it certainly appears they have no intention of changing the way View works. Terrible implementation for those with an X100T and it's slow switching eye sensor. I sold mine as a result of this poor implementation. Pity as I really liked the camera.
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You guys really sold it for this reason? No other camera offers this and you are going to complain?
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Making it to the bottom here, Why is the view mode an issue? Sounds like a nit pick.

I have to agree with JSrocket, if you sold one of these cameras because you couldn't get on with a playback mode... Hang yourself up to dry a little..
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Making it to the bottom here, Why is the view mode an issue? Sounds like a nit pick.

I have to agree with JSrocket, if you sold one of these cameras because you couldn't get on with a playback mode... Hang yourself up to dry a little..
I dont mind being able to access the Q menu on the EVF but the full menu?
Who would go through a full deep menu system looking through a small EVF? So now what I need to do is keep pressing the view mode until it goes back to Eye Sensor or LCD Only, make some changes, then press the view mode again so that it goes to EVF Only.

I also noticed the Eye Sensor to be occasionally slow on responding where I have to wait for 1-2 seconds before it responds.

Not really an issue with Fuji but perhaps with all mirrorless cameras out there as I've experienced these on the Sony A7 series as well.
One thing Fuji did right against the A7 is that you can turn off the LCD screen and playback goes on the LCD screen.
However both cameras menu access goes through the EVF as well if selected EVF only.
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The X100T is slow at activating the eye sensor. Mine went into Fuji service immediately after owning an X100, X100S, X-E1 and X-T1. Fuji confirmed its slower than all of those. With the X100T, on either ovf or evf, forget which, I could actually watch the curtains moving before the eye level was ready. With all the others, the eye level is there before my eye is seated in the cup. Fuji service did comparisons with their X100T and one of their E1's. Same experience I was having.

I found it totally disconnecting to see a shot, think about composition while I bring my camera to my eye and then see black, wait, see again. The fix is set the camera to eye level only. But then all non-shooting interface with the camera needs to be done through the eye level viewer. Or, do a dance with the View button.

Yes, early NEX cameras were also slow. But that's hardly an acceptable reason to tolerate it with a newer camera whose predecessors did not have a problem.

Yes, I sold it. And I'm very pleased I did. However, I fully understand some may consider this a nit which they're willing to deal with. Its not a matter of getting off a fast shot as I don't shoot fast. Its the disconnect of composing a shot while bringing a camera to my eye, then having the shot replaced by black, then being able to see again.
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How's it going with your Xt2?
Are you really feeling a major improvement over your XT1?
The camera has had a month or so on the street... lets hear some feedback!

Sure... there are a few more pixels to crop away.
Dual card slots are handy when you need them.
Better video if you use it.

My question to adopters is... has the XT2 really improved your work over the XT1 and how ?

Other models is more obvious....The Xpro2 has clear performance improvements over the original Xpro1. (Speed being the major upgrade. af, write, refresh... etc.)

Taking away the 24mp vs 16mp and....When your on a shoot,..Is it as clear that the XT2 is such a major improvement over the XT1 ?

As an aside... Are you using Acros? Does it make the cut for you vs Converting from RAW at the desktop ?

I'm not trying to decide on an upgrade rather, would like to read what you all have experienced.

Getting back to the original question....Yes i would say the XT-2 is vastly superior to the Xt-1. I recently put my Xt-2 through its paces on wedding and it performed much better than my Xt-1 in terms of continuous AF, Low light AF, High ISO and noise control, quick buffer, and had a slight advantage in battery life but that most likely because i was running the new 'S' type battery. Where the XT-2 really impressed me was during the reception, I was able to get sharp and crisp images of the bride and groom dancing away in the low lit hall. Not to sound too dramatic but the AF-C in CH mode is beastly, especially with the battery grip. It felt like was shooting my Nikon's.

My one gripe with the XT-2 is the fact that very few flash systems currently are work with the XT-2, most are awaiting firmware update to make them compatible but that's only a temporary grievance. Another small complaint is the weird placement of some menu functions but i found after some tweaking in customization menus, i had the camera working and configured to my liking.

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I dont mind being able to access the Q menu on the EVF but the full menu?

Who would go through a full deep menu system looking through a small EVF? So now what I need to do is keep pressing the view mode until it goes back to Eye Sensor or LCD Only, make some changes, then press the view mode again so that it goes to EVF Only.

I also noticed the Eye Sensor to be occasionally slow on responding where I have to wait for 1-2 seconds before it responds.
Shame on Fuji for offering more VF options and not making it perfect.
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Shame on Fuji for offering more VF options and not making it perfect.
feel free to share why you think it is already perfect as it is instead of ?

when im shooting i can leave the camera in EVF only as I can live by using the dials for shutter, ISO and aperture however at the end of the day when I need to make changes on the menu or even format the SD cards (which is way too deep on the menu as well), now i need to cycle through the view mode, then when done cycle it again.

all im asking is a viewing interface similar to a DSLR, VF for shooting, LCD for menu and playback. didnt mean to attack other fuji fanboys which i am as well but can see that it's still not perfect on some part
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also jdi described it perfectly on why the eye sensor delay can be annoyin as it disconnects you from the moment you are trying to capture
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How is the viewfinder blackout time on the X-T2 compared to the X-T1? When I had the X-T1, I felt that the viewfinder blackout time was a little too long, making the camera feel a bit sluggish. A personal preference for me: when I'm trying to capture a moment, I just don't like to lose sight of the subject for that long.
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"Big Ursus, which larger eyepiece are you refering to?"

Sorry for the delayed response, taemo. I mean the largest one. I think Fuji calls it an "eye cup".
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The X-T2's signal-to-noise ratio is significantly better than the X-T1. This is a real advantage at ISO 800 and above [data]. The biggest impact can be seen in shadow regions. More pixel density is another advantage if your computer can handle the larger files.

The X-T2's real-time AF performance is also superior. This is useful for action photographers and wedding work (when the couple walks down the aisle after the ceremony... and for kids in general.

The X-Pro2 has the same data stream and enjoys the IQ same advantages.

I intend to keep my X-T1 and X10T combo. These meet my current project goals. If I was starting over or was still doing commercial work I would already have a X-T2.
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feel free to share why you think it is already perfect as it is instead of ?

when im shooting i can leave the camera in EVF only as I can live by using the dials for shutter, ISO and aperture however at the end of the day when I need to make changes on the menu or even format the SD cards (which is way too deep on the menu as well), now i need to cycle through the view mode, then when done cycle it again.

all im asking is a viewing interface similar to a DSLR, VF for shooting, LCD for menu and playback. didnt mean to attack other fuji fanboys which i am as well but can see that it's still not perfect on some part
It's just that you have a unique camera that no other company offers and people still complain. Sometimes you have to adapt to your equipment instead of the company adapting to your individual needs.
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all im asking is a viewing interface similar to a DSLR, VF for shooting, LCD for menu and playback. didnt mean to attack other fuji fanboys which i am as well but can see that it's still not perfect on some part
Why not just use a DSLR then? There are APSC DSLR's that are similar sized
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It's just that you have a unique camera that no other company offers and people still complain. Sometimes you have to adapt to your equipment instead of the company adapting to your individual needs.
I agree, with literally any tool you gotta adapt to how it works. It's not a big deal. Cycling the view mode button on the VF of my x-t1 and all my other previous X cameras has become second nature to me - I don't even look at the screen or count the button presses, I could do it blindfolded.

All the cameras with VF/LCD switching sensors suck. The switchover is slow and disconnected. Just use the EVF only, and cycle the view mode to LCD when you need to go into the menu. When you are setup and familiar with the camera, you very rarely need to go into the menu anyway.
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I just picked up an X-T1 ...really like it with the 35/2.

One thing I find awkward is the focus magnification button location for mf lenses. Whenever I use it, my thumb smudges my right eye glass. I'm left eye dominant. Is there any way I can change the location of that button?

This is a view on the way back home from the store the other day. Nothing special, but it's nice and crisp out to the distance @ f5.6.
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Why not just use a DSLR then? There are APSC DSLR's that are similar sized
lenses, no DSLR companies are committed to providing small APSC lenses with good qualities that can compare to Fuji.


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I agree, with literally any tool you gotta adapt to how it works. It's not a big deal. Cycling the view mode button on the VF of my x-t1 and all my other previous X cameras has become second nature to me - I don't even look at the screen or count the button presses, I could do it blindfolded.

All the cameras with VF/LCD switching sensors suck. The switchover is slow and disconnected. Just use the EVF only, and cycle the view mode to LCD when you need to go into the menu. When you are setup and familiar with the camera, you very rarely need to go into the menu anyway.
I've adapted on cycling the view mode since the X-Pro1 and X100S but is it efficient? can it be improved? I think so.
Wouldn't it makes sense to have the EVF always on and when you press the menu it pops on the LCD screen? Who uses the EVF to access the menu? (I had to do this a couple of times but that's because I didn't want to be cycling through the view mode only to change some settings then cycle again.
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I helped a client with the new XT-2, she wanted something lighter than her Canon 6D. I worked several days with the camera, and did quite a bit of research.

It's certainly a nice camera in many ways. We were both shocked by battery life---and I have complained about Sony A7 many times. It's quite a bit worse. From what I read it is quite a bit worse than XT-1.

ISO performance is not great. And the 6D produced more consistent images in a variety of situations. Much better when dealing with high contrast situations, backlight, etc.

We did get many fine images from the Fuji. Also quite a few shooters I really respect love the XT-2.

For a lightweight AF camera it's pretty good but you cannot leave the house without an extra battery. The Sony RX1r2 is even a bit worse.

Considering that for about 1000USD you can buy a thin filter Sony A7 which can shoot RF glass pretty decently, I think it's for somebody who wants to get in the Fuji ecosystem, but the A7 is identical size and you can shoot literally any film lens.

To use the Fuji well you will need to really study and practice the AF. Even then an RF is more reliable for me, believe it or not. Same is true for the Sony AF.

The camera is a real hit and many love it. I would spend the 1600 on a M8 LOL Or frankly the 6D is a much more powerful body for the same money, but it's bigger.

Compared to the XT-1 it's alot better, except for the battery life: that based on hours of reading user opinions and comparisons.
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^i shot A7 and A7R prior to jumping back to Fuji, it's great how it can take all sorts of legacy lenses but I found that manual focusing all the time got tiring pretty quickly.

note, i don't mind MF but for high MP cameras and to bring the best IQ you need to get the focus right.

what I like about Fuji is that their prime lenses are fairly small, inexpensive, great IQ and have AF.
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For what its worth, I rented both the Xpro2 & XT2 back to back right up to the holidays from lensrental. As a long time user of the x100(original and my only digital) the learning curve was very quick with both, did not love the dual ISO/ SS dial on XP2 thus liked the separate ISO/SS dials on XT2. XT2 AF is very quick and accurate IMO. Wish Fuji incorporated the grain options with the Acros versus having to go to 2 different places in both. I shoot street and a lot of closed quarter environments (bar-restaurant-public places) and I was surprised of how I liked the interaction with the XT2 of how I use a camera, I thought it would not be as stealth vs. XP2 but no issues. I used both new 23mm WR F2 lens and the 27mm pancake on the XT2 and I loved the pancake for its stealth ability..... I left the experience surprised that TBH I can live with a EVF only for what I need and I guess the live view/EVF has come a long way vs my x100, really enjoyed the EVF on XT2... last, may be my imagination, but XT2 AF felt quicker?? I am now waiting on X100f announcement later this month.... thanx and hope my insight helped.
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I'm interested that folks find the x-t2's batteries inadequate. I've shot outdoors, for most of a day, without exhausting one. That was this December in central Alberta. I was chimping a lot, but not using much flash - and I'm using boost mode.
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[quote=uhoh7;2681566]...
ISO performance is not great.
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This is puzzles me.

Statistical analysis of unrendered raw files shows the The X-Pro 2 performs at least as well as the 6D in terms of dynamic range and has lower noise levels.

Dynamic Range Comparison

Read Noise Comparison (noise generated by ISO amplification, i.e. between the sensor and the ADC input).

Input-Referred Read Noise Comparison (noise from the sensor phtoto-diode bed alone)
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Only thing I dont really like with the X-T2 is the AF-L button on the back, I like to use it as BBF(back button focus) however it's so small that it's hard to press so instead I'm using the front custom button but it doesnt feel natural.
I only post this because just yesterday I was going to bid on a X-T2 but noticed (on my phone) that the AF-L button looked like the black paint was worn off, as it was shiny. I messaged the seller and he explained that the buttons on the X-T2 were flat and he had installed this:

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I only post this because just yesterday I was going to bid on a X-T2 but noticed (on my phone) that the AF-L button looked like the black paint was worn off, as it was shiny. I messaged the seller and he explained that the buttons on the X-T2 were flat and he had installed this:

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haha that's awesome, what some of the fuji shooters are doing is using sugru to make the buttons a little bigger, i've ordered some and i'll try it afterwards.
another way to do it that i was thinking is with sugru and a soft release button.
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I don;t have any issues with the AF/L button... and I have large fingers.
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