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Old 04-09-2016   #1
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Can you explain using legacy lenses with a Fuji X series camera?

I was thinking of the X-E2S or, possibly, the X-T10 or X-T1 as the body. While I would order one with the 18-55 kit lens, I have some old OM Zuiko lenses from my OM-1 days and a 50mm DR Summicron from my M4. Other than buying an adapter or two, what do I need to know?

Thanks for whatever advice you can offer!
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If you buy the no glass adapters your lens field of view will be subject to the 1.5 crop factor of the APS-C sensor. If you buy something like the Speedbooster or Lens turbo II the crop factor is mostly negated.

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Thanks for whatever advice you can offer!
When I first got my X body, I adapted my Nikon and Pentax legacy lenses. Worked fine for a while until I started needing faster focusing. I eventually replaced most of my legacy lenses with auto focus Fuji lenses. The only legacy lenses I did not replace were the macro lenses and the lenses longer than 300mm.
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Thanks for the replies so far. I understand the crop factor (not new to digital cameras) but I still don't quite understand how to adapt these to the camera's brain. These lenses have been sitting unused (save for the Leica) for a good ten years or more and I thought that it might be a kick to try them with a modern digital. I understand the need for the adapter but how do I set the camera to work with a legacy lens? Manual focus is just fine for me for the stuff I'd shoot with these.
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I use an X-T1 that I bought used and with a Leica M adapter (Kipon brand). I also have a Nikon F to M adapter so tried stacking those and it works but the quality isn't that great.

How I do it:
Ensure camera is setup to fire with no lens detected, necessary for legacy lenses
Set focal length in menu for exif info
Attach adapter to body
Attach lens
Select aperture on lens
Look through EVF and focus
Make amazing photos

I also set a minimum usable shutter speed in the settings and set the shutter speed to auto. Or, I set a desired speed, based on intent, and set ISO to auto.

What I like:
Multiple types of focus aids, but I prefer focus peaking which the X-T1 handles well.

Focus magnification, which I've set to a button on the back.

Focus point selection, which I also use for AF lenses. Choosing a point allows you to magnify the area where you want - great for off center composition.

Focusing with an EVF eliminates any issues with lens calibration as experienced with SLRs.

What I don't like:
Manually focusing on Fujis. The experience on any EVF different than with a rangefinder. And the Fuji lenses are really good and AF focus nicely.

Focus peaking works well, but best wide open and best with magnification. So you need to stop down after you focus which makes the process longer. I'm very comfortable and satisfied with focusing rangefinders, but surprisingly prefer AF and native lenses on these types of systems.

Image quality can suffer. The 'magical' character of some of your favorite old lenses often isn't there. Digital is more demanding and shows flaws in the lenses and adapters. And the look of the focal lengths you are familiar with is different due to the crop factor.

Having said all that, the images produced with a 50mm summilux is very nice. Same for the 35 and 75mm summarits. These are rather modern lenses though.

I've found AF to be nice and manually focusing the XF lenses to be nice as well. Especially with the DOF scale in the viewfinder. The lenses lack a scale on the lens, but the electronic version, in my opinion, is superior.
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Thanks for whatever advice you can offer!
consider also Sony A7 series. you could capture full image circle, instead of crop from the middle.

native lenses usually give more consistent result and are easier to use, regardless which brand is used.
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I have 4 native Fuji lenses and 7 or 8 (plus one in the mail) adapted lenses. Minolta, Zeiss Jena, Pentax, Konica, Sigma, Jupiter, Steinheil.
Inexpensive ($20) adapters on each lens.
Love the experience, and I shoot (what...) 75% of my stuff with these lenses.
The process slows you down for a few seconds and induces you to rethink what you are about to shoot.
I rank the Minolta MC 50mm/f1.4 right there with the Fuji 35mm/f1.4 - and for $100-$125 on EBAY that's a dream !!
Another plus is that old lenses are "forward compatible" - you just buy a new $20 adapter for your next digital camera body. Your native focus-by-wire Fuji lenses are never going to work on (say) a Sony camera.
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Be alert for adapters which either a) focus past infinity, or, b) won't focus all the way to infinity (which is worse). I have some of each.
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Be alert for adapters which either a) focus past infinity, or, b) won't focus all the way to infinity (which is worse). I have some of each.
Adapters that focus past infinity are not a real problem unless you need to be able to set infinity by feel.

If you need for focus by scale, it's a simple matter of establishing a new index mark for the focus scale by focusing the lens to infinity using the EVF and noting where the lens' infinity mark sits, a chore you have to do only once.
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This is of interest to me, too (hi, Chris!) - I'm researching moving to an X-Pro2 from a NEX7 and although I'd probably be using native Fuji glass most of the time I'd like to also be able to use my M, Oly and Nikon lenses on occasion. The NEX makes using adapted lenses easy - I assume doing it on Fuji is very similar?
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Adapters that focus past infinity are not a real problem unless you need to be able to set infinity by feel.
Exactly. Its best to spend some time "getting to know" each new lens and adapter combination.
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Thanks for the additional replies (and hi, Ken!). I guess one of the things that I can't wrap my head around is that my Zuiko lenses have a shutter speed dial on them which is controlled in the old OM bodies. Do I understand that this would be bypassed on an X body and by using aperture priority, the camera would select shutter speed?
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This is of interest to me, too (hi, Chris!) - I'm researching moving to an X-Pro2 from a NEX7 and although I'd probably be using native Fuji glass most of the time I'd like to also be able to use my M, Oly and Nikon lenses on occasion. The NEX makes using adapted lenses easy - I assume doing it on Fuji is very similar?
Very easy to use them on the X Pro 2. For the Nikon glass you can use a basic adapter or also use one that acts as a focal reducer to get your FOV almost the same as with full frame. Not all lenses will work with them though.

XP2's ERF mode is fantastic for adapted glass. You get the OVF and can still MF your lens at the same time.

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Thanks for the additional replies (and hi, Ken!). I guess one of the things that I can't wrap my head around is that my Zuiko lenses have a shutter speed dial on them which is controlled in the old OM bodies. Do I understand that this would be bypassed on an X body and by using aperture priority, the camera would select shutter speed?
Your confusion is understandable given your misconception: The Olympus OM shutter speed dial is on the camera body, not on the lens.
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Um, I'm not confused, Frank. I'm looking at the OM-1 I've had since 1978 with a 50mm Zuiko 1.8 lens. The shutter speed ring is on the lens. The body has an ASA dial.
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My strong preference is for an M Leica (M3, an M4 if you really insist, or an M6) with modern glass (Hexanon M 50/f2, Zeiss ZM 50.f2, and, off course the Summicon 50/f2). A Leica iiiF with a Canon 50mm/f1.8 or a Nikkor 50mm/f2 might also tempt me (the Canon maybe more so, I was shooting with one of those in 1964 (excuse me if I digress).

That being said, I've recently acquired an x pro 1 (at the current fire sale prices, who can resist). I've been taken in.

Permit me to offer these comments on the use of the x pro with legacy glass. I use my collection of Leica glass and legacy Japanese optics with inexpensive adaptors (Rainbowimaging, really decent stuff from this vendor)

One has to see/evaluate/appreciate the quality of images produced by the x pro 1 using the Leica Summicron 40mm/f2 and/or its twin/clone/gentotype , the Rokkor Leica 40mm/f2. This is a 60mm (35mm format equivalent) and perfectly useable and practical on the x pro (IMHO, of course and please don't think otherwise) for normal shooting.

The numbers work out that the "normal" lenses of the 1960-970's era (50-58mm f1.4 to f2) function as really attractive short telephotos for the x pro (83mm t0 87 mm (effective 35mm format equivalent) when one allows for the difference in sensor dimension. On a good day, a fellow might buy a 50-58mm legacy lens for USD10 (be a sport, go for USD$16 if the seller is intransient, I like the Super Takumars and Rokkors) . These seems attractive, to me at least, for a really fast (f1.4 to f 1.8) high quality short telephoto. I really admire my Super Takumar 50mm/f2 on the Rainbowimaging adaptor.

For wide angles, the SLR legacy lenses don't offer much. Spend your oney on modern optics here.
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Um, I'm not confused, Frank. I'm looking at the OM-1 I've had since 1978 with a 50mm Zuiko 1.8 lens. The shutter speed ring is on the lens. The body has an ASA dial.
How strange. I had an OM-1 back then and the dial was on the body, albeit round the lens mount. When I removed the lens the dial stayed put.
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CSG123: No, the shutter speed dial is on the OM itself, as Lawrence states -- It is around the mount on the camera body. Take the lens off and you will see.

I use Zuikos on my X-Pro1. There are some tricks to manual focusing on the X-Pro or other mirrorless cameras.

Today I was practicing using hyperlocal distance and the optical viewfinder with a Zuiko 28/2.8 mounted on the X-Pro1. It worked very well.

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XP2's ERF mode is fantastic for adapted glass. You get the OVF and can still MF your lens at the same time.

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Took the X Pro2 and a Nikon 105mm f2.5 Sonnar with Lens Turbo II to my sons soccor game today. I wanted to test out the ERF mode on action. To get the OVF framing accurate I had to set the focal length to 70mm in the Fuji. It was applying the crop factor that the Lens Turbo II basically undoes. With red focus peaking it was easy to focus using the small EVF window within the OVF and with a little bit of practice wasn't hard to track action that way too. The OVF was of course great to see more than just what would be captured. Not great shots but demonstrate the functionality of the ERF mode.

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I only shot with the Nikon lens for a few minutes as I wanted to test out the 55-200 on AF-C. It did fantastic.

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Oh geez, of course the shutter speed ring is on the body. I just took off the lens and duh. Man, do I feel dumb. Almost 40 years with that camera...

Well, Bette Davis once said, "Growing old ain't for sissies."

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Set camera to A (aperture priority)
Focus setting lens aperture wide open
Stop down once manual focus is attained
Shoot.

There may be a recompose the viewfinder in there somewhere, if you focus with subject not in final location in viewfinder.

Otherwise just those top steps.

Gets to be a PITA after a while and the bloom goes off the rose.. "OK, I done that!"

Now buy native lenses for best effect.

Sell your legacy lenses, or better yet, hang on to your film gear for when you determine Digital altogether is also a PITA!!! (most get there)

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^ that is so absurd that it's not even "wrong".
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Set camera to A (aperture priority)
Focus setting lens aperture wide open
Stop down once manual focus is attained
Shoot.

There may be a recompose the viewfinder in there somewhere, if you focus with subject not in final location in viewfinder.

Otherwise just those top steps.

Gets to be a PITA after a while and the bloom goes off the rose.. "OK, I done that!"

Now buy native lenses for best effect.

Sell your legacy lenses, or better yet, hang on to your film gear for when you determine Digital altogether is also a PITA!!! (most get there)

You'll get there. Film is still in your future.
Film never left. I have two OM-1's, a Leica M4, and a few assorted other rangefinders and SLRs. Just ordered ten rolls of Tri-X this weekend. But to say digital is a PITA compared to film is a little silly, no?
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Received an XT-1 with 18-55 lens and X-Pro 1 body today along with a lower cost adapter for OM lenses. Happened to have my OM-1 with a 24mm lens on it so mounted them up on the XP1. Switched to No Lens setting in menu and the EVF. Couldn't be easier for old school shooting. No problems with exposure or focus. It's as much as I'd hoped for. I still might buy a Fuji prime lens for the XP1 but no rush to do it having the 18-55 that came with the XT1.
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Agreed with all input above,
Just share my experience with my XE-1, I have XF lens and some manual lenses.

I 'm using Fujimfilm adapter (for M lens), working good on my Summicron 35/2 v3 and Sumnicron Ridgid 50/2. Easy to focus.
Very pleasant for portrait shot

Working well also with my Zuiko 28/3.5 and Nikkor AiS.
Not happy pair with Voightlander (M) 35/1.4

For wide lens, I used Fuji Autofocus 18/2. Other option is Voightlander15 for M (never try this lens).

My point is Fuji X able to use "almost any kind" camera lenses as long have proper adapter.

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I have fantastic experience and results with my X-E1 using legacy lenses.
For M lenses I recommend Hawk's M adapter with close-up helicoid.
It really worth being able to shoot this lenses closer.

I use a code for each lens and set the camera immediately when mounting a lens so it will be recorded on the metadata and I will know afterwards which lens was used. For instance I use 1 for pinhole, 25 for my Pen F 25/4, 37 for Summaron, 38 for Pen F 38/1.8, 39 for Jupiter-12, 40 for Summicron-C, etc. 18 and 35 are my Fuji X lenses and it will be recorded automatically, of course.


From my experience, lenses that work and look great in it are Pen F 25/4 and 38/1.8, Summicron-C, Jupiter-8, Jupiter-12 (80xxxx or younger), Summaron 35/3.5, Summitar, Canon 50/1.4 ltm, Jupiter-11, Elmar 50/3.5, Industar-22.

I also use the Fuji X 18/2 which is great for a 28mm equivalent FOV, sharp, small and light.
I also have the Fuji X 35/1.4 which is stellar. But I mostly use the 18/2, Summicron-C, Pen 38/1.8, Jupiter-12 and Jupiter-8. Sometimes Canon 50/1.4, which looks also great.
One of the great aspects of this system is that it has very good wide angle lenses. For instance the 18/2 for very portable and the 14/2.8 for a superb one. The 18 end of the 18-55 zoom is also excellent. I don't like the 27/2.8 though.
And the 35/1.4 is a really excellent lens too.

Of course lenses from SLR systems (OM, C/Y, etc.) will look great too, but the adapter will be larger. M, ltm and Pen lenses will be the smallest. Contax G too but focusing is not very nice. (c-mount will be even smaller but there are very few lenses that will cover the whole APSC sensor area)

I have several Fuji X galleries on my Flickr where you can see how several legacy lenses look on the Fuji sensor.


JPG conversion on camera is very good but I also use RPP (Raw Photo Processor) software which is simple and excellent.
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^^^

I like the compactness of the 18/2, but the edge sharpness is a weakness in my experience. I admit I may not be processing properly or carefully enough.

The Zuiko 21/2 is really nice on X mount, the 28/2.8 is good. I'm looking forward to getting an adapter to use my Summicron-C.

21/2 on X-Pro1, SOOC jpg:

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Thought I would be the only negative one about this. Had a canon fd 50 1.4 on my A7 and loved it. Sold the A7 and went with the fuji. The focus assist is easier to use but I wish I could change it to the little button at the front. Seems like every other button is customisable except the focus one. Also the crop really makes the results look different and not as nice. I tried a speed booster but again the results weren't to my liking, just didn't have the same glow and pop. Had the same with my M lenses and minolta lenses.

On a positive note I love the XT-1 with the 18-55, perfect camera for me at the moment. Just not a huge fan of the results with adapted lenses.
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but I still don't quite understand how to adapt these to the camera's brain.
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Well they don't adapt to the camera's brain.

An exception (sort of) are the X-Series OVF/EVF cameras where one can manually enter the lens focal length so the camera can generate approximate frame lines.
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I picked up a clean used XP1 last week, and also a 35/2 WR. In addition I have the Fuji M to X and aftermarket OM to X adapters. I had great luck using my Zuiko 24/2.8 and 50/1.8 on my NEX7 and want to see how they do on the XP1.

I wasn't aware the XP1 could be set to show basic framelines for adapted lenses in the OVF! I thought I'd be limited to EVF only.
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