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Where is the Q made ?
Old 07-01-2015   #1
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Where is the Q made ?

Is the Leica Q made in Japan by Panasonic or is it made in Germany? Even better, are the parts from Japan and assembled in Germany ?
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I doubt if any digital camera these days has all their parts manufactured from the same country. At best, one can say it was all assembled in the same country.

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From Leica AG's website: "Made in Germany, the high quality materials and outstanding craftsmanship guarantee maximum durability."

When a Leica camera says 'Made in Germany' then for Leica that really means made in Portugal and finished and packaged in Wetzlar (I think only two of their lenses are actually made in Wetzlar along with the cine lenses which are made by Kaufmann's SW Sonderoptic and in another building on the Wetzlar Leica campus.) The Leica Q components are likely from all sorts of vendors around the globe and not only Panasonic.
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I doubt if any digital camera these days has all their parts manufactured from the same country. At best, one can say it was all assembled in the same country.

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No concern to me... it's a beautiful camera that works well. I can't wait to receive one.
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Just trying to determine if its a Panasonic
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Just trying to determine if its a Panasonic
Supposedly it is partly...but not one that Panasonic sell.
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I think that it probably is a Panasonic. The question is will Panasonic bring out their own version at a later date. I have a Panasonic Fx3. I seem to recall that Leica brought out a rebadged version of that supposedly with tweaked software.
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Old 07-02-2015   #9
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I can't see any basis to assume the Q is wolf (Panasonic product) in sheep's (Leica) clothing.

The main problem I have with this sort of speculation is CMOSIS is entirely capable of producing the Q's sensor.
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Although I am positive that there is a lot of Panny technology in the Q, I am also equally positive it isn't going to be a Panny re-badge. I'm not overly sure if Panasonic's camera market is far reaching enough to pull off a full frame compact under it own brand.

Furthermore, reading Leica's promotional literature for the announcement of the Q (phrases like "trailblazing", "true Leica" etc) coupled with the fact that Leica were pushing the "Made in Germany" aspect, it goes a long way from their other Panasonic collaborations/reskins that were made in Asia.

There are a lot of assumptions being made based on internet/forum word of mouth, with very little tangible evidence to back it up, aside from the presence of a battery that is undoubtedly Panasonic in origin.
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A lot of bicycles frames are made in Japan, Taiwan, etc.. As long as they are finished, painted, assembled, in the country of origin, they can state that they were manufactured there. I don't know if this goes for the Leica. One can assume, but until further information is forthcoming, one can only speculate.
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In Germany by jurisdiction (not by law), a company can use "Made in Germany" only, if the major part of the economical value of a product was created in Germany. Otherwise, the statement would be misleading and not legal.

With the cost of labour here in Germany, this means, that much of the material, technology and pre-assembly can be made in different countries and still the product is genuinely made in Germany, because some of the high quality tasks are done in Germany.

When looking at the core competence of Leica here in Germany, I would expect, that this is the case.

For the future, the EU tries to change the rules, which are confusing to the customer. With the EU law, if it gets through the parliaments, this will be much more strict and will be extended also to the used raw materials and labour going into used parts of the final product. - So, if in a few years the Q still has the "Made in Germany"-label, you know where it is made.

With my experience with German made products (including Leica), I would prefer, if there will be a label similar to Apple-products: Designed in by Leica in Wetzlar, assembled in Japan. Except for the lens maybe.
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In Germany by jurisdiction (not by law), a company can use "Made in Germany" only, if the major part of the economical value of a product was created in Germany. Otherwise, the statement would be misleading and not legal.
You mean "by jurisprudence" - Germany is a civil law country (not common law like the US and England), so, that jurisprudence is an interpretation of a written law. However, it is a tricky business as the this German jurisprudence shows: the major part of the economic value of a product was created in the stated country - but how do you decide where the major part of the economic value was created?

In these days of globalisation and skilled labour worldwide, the country on the product is just a marketing tool....
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You mean "by jurisprudence" - Germany is a civil law country
Yeah, whatever... I think, people got, was I meant. Besides that, Germany is an economic law country as experience shows.

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(not common law like the US and England), so, that jurisprudence is an interpretation of a written law. However, it is a tricky business as the this German jurisprudence shows: the major part of the economic value of a product was created in the stated country - but how do you decide where the major part of the economic value was created?
That was my whole point: most of the work is probably done elsewhere, but since a German specialist, who may be doing nothing more than to add a QC-label, earns ten times as much as the guy in Portugal, who does the whole assembly of Japan-made parts, the calculated economic value ist mostly German.

This is probably a good thing... I mean, that it is made elsewhere. For such an electronic device (as good as it may be) it is no more than romantic dream, that some German optics-craftsman creates a pice of industrial art with his bare hands. It's a digicam, not a Barnack...

I don't even care, to be honest, if it is German-made. I would be interested in the quality. And even the Chinese can make high quality products, as we often see for computers and many other stuff. Difference may only be, that German workers can afford their own home and don't jump from the production-plants roofs to death in masses, as they sometimes tend to do in China.
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From Leica AG's website: "Made in Germany, the high quality materials and outstanding craftsmanship guarantee maximum durability."

When a Leica camera says 'Made in Germany' then for Leica that really means made in Portugal and finished and packaged in Wetzlar (I think only two of their lenses are actually made in Wetzlar along with the cine lenses which are made by Kaufmann's SW Sonderoptic and in another building on the Wetzlar Leica campus.) The Leica Q components are likely from all sorts of vendors around the globe and not only Panasonic.
No.

Ever been to Wetzlar? (Or Solms before thart)?

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No.

Ever been to Wetzlar? (Or Solms before thart)?

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What I posted is what I read in one of their press releases when they recently re-invested in their (long time) Portugal production and opened up the new 52,000 square meter factory in Vila Nova de Famalicao. And also that they limited production in the new Wetzlar facility to have most of their wares to be produced in Portugal with final assembly and finishing in Wetzlar. Only a few items are produced fully in Wetzlar. I'll try to find the article and post the link.....
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What I posted is what I read in one of their press releases when they recently re-invested in their (long time) Portugal production and opened up the new 52,000 square meter factory in Vila Nova de Famalicao. And also that they limited production in the new Wetzlar facility to have most of their wares to be produced in Portugal with final assembly and finishing in Wetzlar. Only a few items are produced fully in Wetzlar. I'll try to find the article and post the link.....
FULLY, yes. But (e.g) CNC milling of M top-plates is simple, time consuming metal-bashing with high value added. Some parts of the process require more skill than others...

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FULLY, yes. But (e.g) CNC milling of M top-plates is simple, time consuming metal-bashing with high value added. Some parts of the process require more skill than others...

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Um, so how does that make my original post not accurrate?' I said "finishing and packaging." Assemblies made in Portugal and finished in Wetzlar. Please try to read more carefully before jumping on someone's response.... Thanks
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Um, so how does that make my original post not accurrate?' I said "finishing and packaging." Assemblies made in Portugal and finished in Wetzlar. Please try to read more carefully before jumping on someone's response.... Thanks
Please try to write more carefully before making sloppy responses: "Assemblies made in Portugal . . . I think only two of their lenses are actually made in Wetzlar along with the cine lenses".

"Assemblies made in Portugal" and "actually made in Wetzlar" indicate to me that you have not, in fact, been to the Leica factory in Wetzlar or (before that) in Solms.

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To date, certainly the finest Japanese camera Wetzlar has ever assembled. lol
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I thought top plates were the finest .8mm thick cast zinc...
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Wages in Germany are on the high site (actually low compared to other north european countries but anyway higher than in china, portugal etc) so assembling and testing that thing here would already add be the majority of value thus qualifying for "Made in Germany" but I guess they make some mechanical parts of it here too.

I also second that it doesn't matter .. I want that thing anyway, so in 5-6 years I'll get it second hand when it is affordable for me
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I thought top plates were the finest .8mm thick cast zinc...
Apart from the fact that they're CNC milled brass with different thicknesses in different areas, you're spot on.

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I think it would be embarrassing for Leica to disclose if the Q is really a foreign product assembled in Germany or not. It would show their lack of real innovation if they had to rely on another vendor to come up with an idea whether partnered or not. I am just trying to get to the source of the Q. If it is just a Japanese product like the $200.00 olympus viewfinder for the M240 that sells for 500.00 once relabeled with Leica markings, ( http://jorgetorralba.com/2014/11/22/...-is-your-mojo/ ) I would rather find or wait for the Japanese version of the Q it is exists. However, this is all speculation which is why I ask where its made.
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Keep waiting. I sincerely doubt that there will ever be a Japanese branded or version of the Leica Q like past Leitz products. Leitz wants to reposition itself. Leitz having a Japanese version certainly would go against itself.
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Osaka, Japan /Wetzlar, Germany (September 19, 2014) - Panasonic Corporation and Leica Camera AG today announced they have extended their partnership agreement and agreed to expand and strengthen their technological cooperation in the digital camera field.

The agreement includes the extension of license agreement for use of Leica's trademark on Panasonic's digital camera products as well as expansion and strengthening of technological cooperation between the two companies.

Based on this agreement, Panasonic will be able to commercialize digital camera products with Leica lenses over the next five years, from October 2014 to September 2019 while Leica will be able through the expansion and strengthening of technological cooperation to utilize Panasonic's digital technology in its own product development. The agreement will allow both companies to boost product competitiveness by combining Leica's optical technology and Panasonic's digital technology.

The companies had signed a cooperative agreement for digital audiovisual equipment lenses in August 2000 and agreed to cooperate in the digital camera sector in July 2001.

Since then, the companies have built up a cooperative relationship in optical technology and quality control, and brought high-performance and high-quality digital cameras to the market by fusing Leica's superior optical technology with Panasonic's digital technologies such as image processing.

The technological cooperation newly agreed upon in this agreement will reinforce the partnership between the two companies, enabling them to accelerate the development of excellent digital camera products with enhanced appeal to the global camera market.

Yoshiyuki Miyabe, President of AVC Networks Company, an internal company of Panasonic, stated: "It is a great honor to be able to strengthen our bonds with Leica as a strategic partner. Panasonic will continue to incorporate Leica's century-worth of optical technologies and camera traditions into the DNA of Panasonic's digital cameras to further expand our business."

Alfred Schopf, Chief Executive Officer of Leica Camera, said: "The signing of this agreement is significant for Leica as we seek further growth in the digital imaging sector. Strengthening our cooperative relationship with Panasonic is essential to Leica's continued growth."
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I have no issue with Panasonic assisting in the making of the Q. It's probably why it is so well done. There won't be a panasonic version of this camera. Has Leica ever had its own version of a Panasonic prior to the panasonic version being released?
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I think it would be embarrassing for Leica to disclose if the Q is really a foreign product assembled in Germany or not. It would show their lack of real innovation if they had to rely on another vendor to come up with an idea whether partnered or not.
There is a difference between where it is made (produced) and where the idea comes from. I am pretty sure, that the idea is genuinely Leica, but production only by economic value.
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I think it would be embarrassing for Leica to disclose if the Q is really a foreign product assembled in Germany or not. It would show their lack of real innovation if they had to rely on another vendor to come up with an idea whether partnered or not.
I don't think having somebody else make it is embarassing or shows lack of innovation, that's a pretty tricky switch up in your insinuation there to somebody else having the idea.

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I read that the T body is machined from a solid billet in Portugal and shipped to Wetzlar for assembly. The lenses are made at an undisclosed optics maker in Japan (not Panasonic) to Leica design, manufacturing specs and QC. If it were all made in Germany, the costs would be up in the Q to M price territory.
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The bottom plate identifier plaque with type number, CE etc. on my Q says Made in Germany.
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You guys really think a deal signed in 2014 leads to a camera sold in 2015 ? Or if Panasonic could manufacture a FF sensor, they wouldn't put it in one of their own cameras ?

Pretty clear to me that the Q is assembled in Wetzlar, with European-designed, French manufactured sensor, and SocioNext/Fujitsu image processor, which itself is based on an American ARM core.

Now, most here don't care about the image processor, but in particular for the Q, it's the central heart of the camera - since the lens is designed with distortion-corrections in mind.
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