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View Poll Results: Preferred focal length for next Leica Q?
24mm 9 3.50%
35mm 70 27.24%
40mm 75 29.18%
50mm 91 35.41%
75mm 12 4.67%
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Old 06-12-2015   #41
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Different business relationships and margins are in operation. There is also the question of how much QA time Sony applies to the inspection of the incoming parts they don't manufacture and what their variance limits are vs what Leica apply for their production process. If I recall back to the Leica CL, which was a joint manufacturing project between Minolta and Leica, Leica rejected for rework something greater than 40% of all the body assemblies they received from Minolta that were to be branded "Leica CL". Minolta rejected for rework far fewer of the ones that were branded "Minolta CL" which sold at a somewhat lower price. G

Maybe Leica can finally break through the EVF issues and produce the electronic viewfinder we all want.
If it's another re-worked "part" from the bins of olympus and panasonic..... Well, what needs to be said?
Hopefully it's something special. I have not read any reviews beyond the dpreview article.
I don't recall what they had to say about it.

Still.... I would love a fixed lens rangefinder from Leica.
Imagine... Full frame... Leaf shutter silence and a perfectly matched summicron 2/40mm to a nice 1:1 leica RF system ..... Delicious!
Talk about niche product
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Maybe Leica can finally break through the EVF issues and produce the electronic viewfinder we all want.
If it's another re-worked "part" from the bins of olympus and panasonic..... Well, what needs to be said?
Hopefully it's something special. I have not read any reviews beyond the dpreview article. ...
Epson manufactures the EVF component used in the Visoflex EVF2 and type 020, not Olympus or Panasonic. Olympus buys the same panel from Epson too.

That said, if the Leica Q EVF is as good as the Olympus E-M1 EVF, it is terrific. That's currently the best I've used, better performing to my eye than the one in the Sony A7 series and Fuji X-T1, although the latter is close. It's not just the EVF panel, it's the optics and the systems that support it which are critical. The E-M1 EVF is truly an outstanding performer, IMO. I hope the Leica Q is the same.

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Epson manufactures the EVF component used in the Visoflex EVF2 and type 020, not Olympus or Panasonic. Olympus buys the same panel from Epson too.

That said, if the Leica Q EVF is as good as the Olympus E-M1 EVF, it is terrific. That's currently the best I've used, better performing to my eye than the one in the Sony A7 series and Fuji X-T1, although the latter is close. It's not just the EVF panel, it's the optics and the systems that support it which are critical. The E-M1 EVF is truly an outstanding performer, IMO. I hope the Leica Q is the same.

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Interesting, to my eye I found the Fuji XT1's the best in that comparison, but it seemed to fall apart in bright sunlight. On the other hand it (and all Fuji EVFs) give me severe motion sickness, something that I do not get from Olympus or Sony.
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Interesting, to my eye I found the Fuji XT1's the best in that comparison, but it seemed to fall apart in bright sunlight. On the other hand it (and all Fuji EVFs) give me severe motion sickness, something that I do not get from Olympus or Sony.
The X-T1 EVF is quite good to my eye, but it doesn't adapt to sunlight as well as the Olympus E-M1. The Sony A7 was terrible in this regard—I could only use it outdoors on a sunny day with a deep-brimmed hat on to keep it in the shade.

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I would have voted 35mm, which is my "natural" focal length BUT I watched/read a couple of reviews this morning and realised that the digital crop mode still gives you 15 MP at 35mm, which is more than enough for most everyday shooting. And you get sexy Rf style frame lines then as well. I think I could cope quite comfortably with a camera that had 28mm and 35mm at that kind of resolution for almost all of my shooting. Agree that 8MP at 50mm isn't optimal but still fine for occasional street and casual snaps though. This has me thinking now.
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Yep a 28/50/75 line up along the lines of the Sigma series would suit me fine.
Fixed lens and decent af .
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The X-T1 EVF is quite good to my eye, but it doesn't adapt to sunlight as well as the Olympus E-M1. The Sony A7 was terrible in this regard—I could only use it outdoors on a sunny day with a deep-brimmed hat on to keep it in the shade.

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Agree with that. And I find it extremely frustrating that this, along with the jello wobble effect in indoors lighting, is never ever mentioned by blogger$ who claim these things are the best ever.
Obviously, they don't want to lose their advertisers or have their access to 'test' cameras pulled.

I'm going to check out the Q at the Leica Shop just to see how the EVF performs. I'm done listening to bloggers, but find that real reviewers who do not have a vested interest are much more honest. On the fredmiranda site there is an ongoing post by Adam Dewilde which is extremely informational and useful. He's a pro photographer and bought his Q, not a blogger.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1370077
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Agree with that. And I find it extremely frustrating that this, along with the jello wobble effect in indoors lighting, is never ever mentioned by blogger$ who claim these things are the best ever.
Obviously, they don't want to lose their advertisers or have their access to 'test' cameras pulled.

I'm going to check out the Q at the Leica Shop just to see how the EVF performs. I'm done listening to bloggers, but find that real reviewers who do not have a vested interest are much more honest. On the fredmiranda site there is an ongoing post by Adam Dewilde which is extremely informational and useful. He's a pro photographer and bought his Q, not a blogger.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1370077
He posted the same thing to GetDPI. Adam seems an okay guy, but he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about what Leica owes him regards service, etc. He took offense when I said that I was quite happy with Leica's service (they've done very well for me) and went off on a rant. He seems to have plenty of money to spend on buying more toys, though, even if they frustrate him.

That's what I don't understand: why buy stuff when you're unhappy with the company? I don't buy Sigma and sold off my Sony stuff for reasons like that. But to each their own..

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He posted the same thing to GetDPI. Adam seems an okay guy, but he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about what Leica owes him regards service, etc. He took offense when I said that I was quite happy with Leica's service (they've done very well for me) and went off on a rant. He seems to have plenty of money to spend on buying more toys, though, even if they frustrate him.

That's what I don't understand: why buy stuff when you're unhappy with the company? I don't buy Sigma and sold off my Sony stuff for reasons like that. But to each their own..

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I wasn't happy with my Leica service. 4 months with no camera while it was getting its sensor fixed. No offer of a loaner, even though the camera was maybe 9 months old. Poor i.e. no communication - promises of follow ups never came through.
But I still use Leica because it is the only mfg that provides the form that I enjoy using. If CV made a digital RF (think Zeiss Ikon digital), I would have been there.
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I guess I'm patient, and I have plenty of cameras in case one needs to go to the shop. If the M-P needed to be in the shop for a few months, I'd just use my E-M1 or the M4-2 instead. There's a lot of duplicated functionality in my closet... And I like all of my gear albeit for different reasons. :-)

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Old 06-13-2015   #52
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Preferred focal length for next Leica Q?
Eh, I'd be happy if Leica Qii was 28mm still, I like that focal length/angle of view. I just need to save my pennies.

Besides, if the next version was 28mm (with crop options to 35mm and 50mm) and the sensor had twice the resolution, you'd end up with a 35mm camera with 30 MP (as opposed to 35mm and 15 MP).

I do feel for the 50mm and up crowd, you end up throwing away too many pixels.
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35 70 zoom if lens is fixed.
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Old 06-14-2015   #54
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28mm is perfect, why would you want something different? If anything, from a business standpoint, a fast 50mm makes sense for people who prefer something longer. A 35mm doesn't make sense, just use the 28mm and step one step forward, or a 50mm and step back. Fixed 24mm or 75mm don't make sense as they're specialist focallengths.

So, I voted nothing. Not that I'm buying a €4000 camera...
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For me the ultimate would be a 35/75 bi-summicron: hybird approach between the tri-elmar/zoom and use of an add-on tele-conversion lens such as for the x100 series. Namely the basic focal length would be 35mm at f2. Add on a two element asph conversion lens via front bayonet (much smaller and lighter than the x100 teleconverter), simultaneously twist a ring on the lens barrel (a la tri-elmar) and you have 75mm f2. Both with excellent imaging characteristics...
This.

Alternately, and more likely to be possible - a 35mm variant with in-camera 50mm and 75mm framelines that crop the JPEGs and tag the DNGs just like how the Q does now for 35mm and 50mm.
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28mm is perfect, why would you want something different? If anything, from a business standpoint, a fast 50mm makes sense for people who prefer something longer. A 35mm doesn't make sense, just use the 28mm and step one step forward, or a 50mm and step back.
yeah, it never makes sense to have the focal length you truly want...
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I would take a 50mm but voted 40mm instead. The versatility of that focal length is awesome.

It may be odd but the 40mm can be stepped up to 60mm then 80mm. And oh, f2 is sufficient... No need to go the distance for sub-f2 and wrestle with a larger lens.
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I love the 28mm focal length and a 50mm would be a very nice pairing.

..... it would be nice to have a Tri-????? lenses on the Q, 28, 35, and 50 with, at least, a 2.8 aperture.

The pricing is at the high-end and would be great to be able to take advantage of the FF sensor at three different focal lengths.
I would even be willing to live with an f4 version of that
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I'd be happy with a 50mm version, although only as one of a pair of cameras. As it is, I mostly use the M9 with a 50mm Summicron or Zeiss Sonnar, and carry a Ricoh GR for wide angle duties, so a 50mm Q with all of its benefits could be a good replacement for the M9 + 50/2.
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After seeing the Q, I really hope a 50mm version is coming.
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After seeing the Q, I really hope a 50mm version is coming.
John,

This is impressive. I'm hoping too. Could be a game changer for me where I would embrace color more fully with a paired "Q-28" and ""Q-50." Basically a tiny two camera kit/long-short pair.

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Cal, it really is a beautiful camera that works the way I'd like a camera to work. I ordered one today. Oops. I too could get away with that combo for most of what I do.
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I suspect I'll be picking one up myself before too long.
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Well, I have the 40mm on my FF and I like it a lot. It is just that less wide than 35 and allows very condensed people pictures. A 50mm is (compared to the 50 mm) really a tele lens!
Interestingly, with the optical finder angle of M leica having got wider with the M6, the effect was that 50mm is really a big crop.
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From the looks of the poll, they should release a 45mm and call it day! One of my favorite combos is a Contax G2+45mm.
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Cal, it really is a beautiful camera that works the way I'd like a camera to work. I ordered one today. Oops. I too could get away with that combo for most of what I do.
John,

When is expected delivery?

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When is expected delivery?

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[quote=Austerby;2496227]I'd like them to do a Tri-Elmar version - 28-50-90

i'd go one step further, and wish for a Q-Vario. remember the digilux 2 with f2 and a macro setting?
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Happy to see that Leica is considering other focal lengths:

http://leicarumors.com/2015/07/27/in...6-camera.aspx/
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Happy to see that Leica is considering other focal lengths:

http://leicarumors.com/2015/07/27/in...6-camera.aspx/
It is indeed good to see that Leica is considering other Q focal lengths. The article mentions 35 and 50. Given the choice of those two I would vastly prefer 50mm. There are already plenty of wide angle cameras that have been designed and produced in recent years, but very few normal or longer.

Is it just me, or is it extremely difficult to generate a flattering portrait with a 28mm lens? 35mm is somewhat more manageable. I guess if you're doing reportage, and actually trying to make politicians look like clowns, wider could be better...
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Given the choice of those two I would vastly prefer 50mm.
Yeah, I agree... this needs to happen. We need a fixed lens digital 50mm camera.

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Is it just me, or is it extremely difficult to generate a flattering portrait with a 28mm lens? 35mm is somewhat more manageable. I guess if you're doing reportage, and actually trying to make politicians look like clowns, wider could be better...
I find I can do it, but generally it has to include the torso of the individual as well.
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I'd say 40mm, but I'd have to sell my car to buy one..
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I'm forgetting about the Q and waiting for the 50mm version.
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I simply did NOT vote!
In my opinion, it's pointless..
One has the frames for 35mm and 50mm, showing area outside.
Folks are still living in past of HCB with no cropping.
I was like that...but now cropping a way of life.
My P/S digital crop the image after lens can no longer zoom..
Quality is fine.
Leica I'm sure has no plans for "interchangeable" lens mount.
Nor another dedicated mount like Ricoh.
A sealed sensor-optical unit is the way to go.
Celebrate this new Leica, even if it loses the M heritage.
One gains anti shake, a great lens, small camera.
This. Love your verse format too.
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How about a modern CM -- 40mm/2.4 collapsible Summarit that's flush with the body when powered down?
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How about a modern CM -- 40mm/2.4 collapsible Summarit that's flush with the body when powered down?
The closest you'll get to this these days is the X model.
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I love the look of the Q. It truly is a beautiful camera. But I have little use for 28mm lenses, no matter how good they may be. So I have voted for a 50mm lens as my preference. In reality I think I would almost as often like a 75mm lens given my style of shooting, but have to be realistic. A 50mm is sometimes needed, but in better than 85% of cases that's about as far as I need to go towards the wide end of the spectrum. I might use a 35mm or even a 28mm lens maybe 15% of the time.
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Surprised and happy to see so many votes for 40mm. It's probably the perfect FL for this camera.
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I'd settle for a 40mm model, but would rather have 45mm-50mm.
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There are more than 200 responses to the poll now. Just for fun, let's compute the geometric average of all the results. I get (24^6*35^46*40^64*50^78*75^8)^(1/202) = 42.7mm, almost exactly equal to the diagonal dimension of the format.

Considering the possibilities with the framelines and cropping a bit further, it seems that a 40mm (or 43mm if you like) version of this camera could be very sweet.

The framelines and cropping could be set with firmware updates, or could be user selectable. Imagine having the option of square format framelines at 58mm or 70mm equivalent (whatever you like, really) for the purpose of composing portraits!
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