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24mm 9 3.50%
35mm 70 27.24%
40mm 75 29.18%
50mm 91 35.41%
75mm 12 4.67%
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Leica Q 2nd edition
Old 06-11-2015   #1
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Leica Q 2nd edition

Okay, how about a poll...

What is your preferred focal length for a second edition of the Leica Q?

24mm, 35, 40, 50, 75?

I'll go for 40mm.
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Old 06-11-2015   #2
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Old 06-11-2015   #3
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Need a week before I can vote. Still dealing with my Q GAS attack.
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Old 06-11-2015   #4
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W/ a 40, it would be a modern day CLE.

(FYI I have a CLE and a CL, and much prefer the CLE. It's what the CL should have been)
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Old 06-11-2015   #5
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I've been saying ever since the original x100, if Fuji made a 50mm version I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Same goes for the new Q. I'm actually intrigued by it, but would never buy a 28mm version over my x100t. I especially like the fact it's slimmer than the M240 which is way too thick. When Leica creates a digital body that is closer to size of their film bodies, I'll get back into their digital cameras.
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Old 06-11-2015   #6
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i voted 50mm of what i think it will be, but a 40mm would be very cool and tempting though still unaffordable for me….
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Old 06-11-2015   #7
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Voted 35mm but a 40mm would still be VERY tempting!
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Old 06-11-2015   #8
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F2/40mm or F2.5/50mm

Size is important as well.
I bet an f2/50mm will be just a bit too big. Shaving half a stop saves just enough mass to keep it same size to an f2/40mm.
Besides... I've become quite accustomed and satisfied with the look of f2.5 the wide open.
It's the perfect amount of DOF to have good portrait focus and at wide open has enough of the edges to be "non-clinical".
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Old 06-11-2015   #9
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hmm. I have had three CLs and one CLE ... didn't like the latter very much, love the CL. YMMV.

I voted for a 50mm. I'd rather have a little longer, actually ... 58mm or 60mm ... but not as long as 75mm for a fixed lens camera.

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Old 06-11-2015   #10
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I voted 35 because that really is the classic combo but it would be nice to have a real rf style viewfinder with it!
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Old 06-11-2015   #11
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LEica always make these cameras to take from you lotīs of money.

They will never make a real/serious competition to their M lenses or M cameras.
So donīt expect a Q with 50mm f1.7 lens not even a 35mm f2 lens!
The camera was right there the rx1 2/35, but no. they had to make it more "creative" with a 28mm lens

Saw high iso performance and it really is superb.

But i still prefer my old m9 with the redscale elmar
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Old 06-11-2015   #12
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I dunno. The X produces results that are very competitive with files from either my M9 or M-P fitted with the 'Lux 35 v2. I imagine the Q does similarly.

Neither X nor Q replace the M, however. They complement it with a different feature set.

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Old 06-11-2015   #13
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40 or 45mm f2. It would be very compact, a 35 is a bit close to 28 and 50 would have a significant overlap with the M line.
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Old 06-12-2015   #14
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In Japan and elsewhere the 28mm are very well accepted. Towns, malls and highways are much more crowded then 50 years ago therefore 'the wider - the better'
Even P&S cams start already at 24mm.

And it's not so difficult to train the brain for 28mm when 35mm is the current favourite length.
I feel that the Q is very easy to handle and will help to support the 'flow' when shooting.. ;-)
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Old 06-12-2015   #15
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I simply did NOT vote!
In my opinion, it's pointless..
One has the frames for 35mm and 50mm, showing area outside.
Folks are still living in past of HCB with no cropping.
I was like that...but now cropping a way of life.
My P/S digital crop the image after lens can no longer zoom..
Quality is fine.
Leica I'm sure has no plans for "interchangeable" lens mount.
Nor another dedicated mount like Ricoh.
A sealed sensor-optical unit is the way to go.
Celebrate this new Leica, even if it loses the M heritage.
One gains anti shake, a great lens, small camera.
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Old 06-12-2015   #16
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I'd like them to do a Tri-Elmar version - 28-50-90

If there was a Monochrom version, with a tilting screen so you could have a waist-level view then I'd definitely buy one.
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50mm f/2 (at least).
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Old 06-12-2015   #18
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I simply did NOT vote!
In my opinion, it's pointless..
One has the frames for 35mm and 50mm, showing area outside.
Folks are still living in past of HCB with no cropping.
I was like that...but now cropping a way of life.
It seems silly to put a FF sensor in a camera in order to use it as a half frame sensor. With a half frame sensor, its a cropped 28mm lens that doesn't have any of the characteristics of a 50mm lens. While I respect that you are ok with this, please respect that many of us want the real deal lens matched to a FF sensor.
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Old 06-12-2015   #19
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50mm f/2 (at least).
I'm with John: 50/2.0 (at least).

I can see me owning a 28 version and a 50 version to carry both. I do this with a M6 and a 0.85 MP already with a 28 Cron and a 50 Lux ASPH. This spread is ideal for me.

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Old 06-12-2015   #20
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For me 28mm is fine, price is fine, nevertheless I am still not quite sure about the general Leica customer service, for me it would be a huge plus if the version II (if it will ever exist) would come out with some life service guarantee or something like that.

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It seems silly to put a FF sensor in a camera in order to use it as a half frame sensor. With a half frame sensor, its a cropped 28mm lens that doesn't have any of the characteristics of a 50mm lens. While I respect that you are ok with this, please respect that many of us want the real deal lens matched to a FF sensor.
Hear, hear!

Personally, I am comfortable with cropping, but mostly to set the aspect ratio to the scene.

I would not buy a camera where the majority of my images would have to be heavily cropped.

Perhaps Leica perceives Asia as being the "target" market for this camera. Huge populations, brand conscious and a preference for the 28mm focal length.
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Old 06-12-2015   #22
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Yep, everybody has their preference. For me I think it will work very well - probably 70% of my shots at 28mm, 20% at 35 and 10% at 50. All three are focal lengths I enjoy working with and I rarely print large size, so all will be perfectly good enough for my needs.
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Old 06-12-2015   #23
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I voted 50. I would like a rigid version of the 50/2.8 Elmar collapsible latest version. An f2.8 maximum aperture should be no problem given the high iso ability of the sensor. Then the whole rig would be light and compact but high quality, like the original Leica concept.
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Old 06-12-2015   #24
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I'm sure many US photographers love 28mm EFoV as well as Asian photographers. I just happen to prefer the pairing of 35 and 50, with a third lens around 75-90, and a fourth around 21-24. I'll use the 35 and 50 about 90% of the time. So I'll use my X and await the Q50.

Meanwhile, I'll use the M-P when I want something different. It's not like this is a problem. :-)

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Oh, nice idea too mcfingon.
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I'd like them to do a Tri-Elmar version - 28-50-90

If there was a Monochrom version, with a tilting screen so you could have a waist-level view then I'd definitely buy one.

Too big and heavy I think.
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50mm f/2 (at least).
Yes.

As far as I'm concerned f/2 would be a perfect balance of size, utility and cost.
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For me the ultimate would be a 35/75 bi-summicron: hybird approach between the tri-elmar/zoom and use of an add-on tele-conversion lens such as for the x100 series. Namely the basic focal length would be 35mm at f2. Add on a two element asph conversion lens via front bayonet (much smaller and lighter than the x100 teleconverter), simultaneously twist a ring on the lens barrel (a la tri-elmar) and you have 75mm f2. Both with excellent imaging characteristics.

I don't really know if such a design is optically feasible... So short of that, a 50mm/f2 would be great (or 40mm).
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I love the 28mm focal length and a 50mm would be a very nice pairing.

..... it would be nice to have a Tri-????? lenses on the Q, 28, 35, and 50 with, at least, a 2.8 aperture.

The pricing is at the high-end and would be great to be able to take advantage of the FF sensor at three different focal lengths.
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Heck, if they put a 40/2 on it and sold it with 2x and .6x front optically-matched converters, they'd almost exactly reproduce the CL Kit. Which was always very near to ideal ...

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Magic would be if they did a fixed 2/40 or 50mm with a real Mechanical RF.

After initial excitement, I'm having a hard time getting my head around a EVF camera at this price point.
Leicas high price has for me always been based on that magical Rangefinder.

So v2 of the Q .... A fixed 40mm rangefinder please.
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Leicas high price has for me always been based on that magical Rangefinder.
No, it's been based on Leica being a luxury brand. The rangefinder in the current M costs like $750 or something like that.
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No, it's been based on Leica being a luxury brand. The rangefinder in the current M costs like $750 or something like that.
Ok it's luxury also.. What does the evf "cost" in the Q... About $35?
Not to develop but the actual cost to order them by the train car?

You see my point ?
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Ok it's luxury also.. What does the evf "cost" in the Q... About $35?
Not to develop but the actual cost to order them by the train car?

You see my point ?
The parts for the EVF (not counting the ocular lenses, etc) cost Leica on the order of $400 to $600, depending on volumes and order size, last time I spoke to some folks in that business. The EVF assembly is the second most expensive single component in the Q, second only to the imaging sensor itself.

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No offense but, I find that hard to believe.
How do Japanese makers sell their cameras for what they do?
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No, it's been based on Leica being a luxury brand. The rangefinder in the current M costs like $750 or something like that.
John,

An entire MP rangefinder costs about $1K parts alone. I asked Sherry about that.

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No offense but, I find that hard to believe.
How do Japanese makers sell their cameras for what they do?
Andy,

Good question.

Realize that Leica and the Japanese cameras have to be looked upon as two different markets: in one economy of scale due to high production numbers creates an "economy of scale" that lowers costs; in the other a boutique camera maker that promotes itself as a luxury brand sells limited quantities so that the higher costs have to be passed onto the consumer.

Really two seperate business models that are opposite. Hopefully the boutique manufacturer has enough "percieved value" where customers will be willing to pay rather costly premiums for the luxury product.

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No offense but, I find that hard to believe.
How do Japanese makers sell their cameras for what they do?
Exactly. A whole Sony A6000, EVF and all, is $548.
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Exactly. A whole Sony A6000, EVF and all, is $548.
Different business relationships and margins are in operation. There is also the question of how much QA time Sony applies to the inspection of the incoming parts they don't manufacture and what their variance limits are vs what Leica apply for their production process.

If I recall back to the Leica CL, which was a joint manufacturing project between Minolta and Leica, Leica rejected for rework something greater than 40% of all the body assemblies they received from Minolta that were to be branded "Leica CL". Minolta rejected for rework far fewer of the ones that were branded "Minolta CL" which sold at a somewhat lower price.

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Volume and selling lenses?
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