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Old 11-28-2014   #1
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Cosina Voigtlander F-S adapter clones

I have been corresponding with Amedeo Muscelli about him machining an F-S lens adapter for me, (and perhaps anyone else here who'd like one, and missed out when Cameraquest ran out of the CV stock).
I directed him to Stephen's site where I found a couple of photos that show the adapter, but not in any detail.
Amedeo has asked for some close-up photos to help him do the CAD programming, but I have no idea where to find any. I'd appreciate if anyone here who either has a CV version or knows of anyone elsewhere who I could ask for some close-up shots of one, it would be greatly appreciated.
Please and thank you.
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Old 12-01-2014   #2
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Old 12-03-2014   #3
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An excellent idea. Does anyone have photos to help out?

A curiosity I found with the small production runs at Cosina is the opposite of supply-demand; instead of making a second batch, the desirable items become collectibles. This was among their most popular Nikon RF-related items and was among the first to sell out. Of course, everything is relative. The first production run was probably only 200 or 300 units, and nobody's going to make much profit off something at that scale.
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Did CV decide there wasn't enough market? Sounds odd that one would go through the trouble to produce a successful product then just drop it. ???
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CV discontinued the entire Nikon S/Contax C line when sales didn't meet expectations, and although Cameraquest continues to sell the line, it consists of what's left of the original inventory with no new S/C products, or re-issuing of any depleted stocks.
And so far, my request for help in getting some new F-S adapters made has been met with a thunderous silence.
It's as if they never existed. No one has one, or knows anyone who has one, and might take a few close-up shots to help out.
I'd contact Cosina directly if I could find an email address for Mr. Kobayashi.
If they've chosen not to make any more and the mount information is so old that patents wouldn't be violated there really is no compelling reason why they couldn't help with some photos or specs.
Anyone?
I'm trying to get this done for those of us who'd like the adapter, but I really need some help or it isn't going to happen.
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I have one. I'll put some pictures up later.
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Old 12-03-2014   #7
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I had one of these adapters briefly but sold it along with an F-mount Heliar 15mm lens.

Why did I sell it? Because I didn't find it to be particularly useful.

Except for the Heliar, none of my F-mount wide angle lenses worked on it. Basically, any lens with a rear element that protrudes past the lens mount and is not narrow enough to fit through the S-mount internal lens mount opening cannot be mounted because the rear element comes into contact with the S-mount helicoid. That means most wide angle Nikkors.

50mm and longer lenses don't have elements that protrude out the back past the lens mount, so can be mounted. But good luck scale focusing them.
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A mythical object!
Use your F lenses on a RF Nikon!
Really?

65 years gone and it never happened!
it doesn't exist!
It's not happenin! Amedeo better come up with something really good! Copying the Cosina version isn't going to work!

A while ago, I commissioned him to make a deep rear cap with the NK logo, I needed one to protect my 1.1 rear element, at the time he was making them with Zeiss logos! He asked for a picture and he made one....
Nice guy, who would do that?


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If RFF is any guide, there probably are fewer than 200-400 Nikon RF users worldwide at any given time (just an educated guess). More cameras are "collected" but not used and a lot simply slosh through dealer inventory.

It wasn't a large market, and most Nikon RF users are, by definition, not looking for new innovative gear and lenses.

The F-S adapter was particularly interesting because it would allow mating an F-mount 2.1cm lens to an RF body. But since then, CV released 21mm lenses that allow user prices for that focal length.
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Old 12-06-2014   #10
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Here are a few photos of the CV F-S adapter. It is shown joining an F mount 2.1/4 on a Nikon S body. The adapter - body mount is a breech lock affair, similar in operation to the Canon FD manual lenses.













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Any Machinist will tell you he needs a complete blue print drawing with all the accurate measurements on it, or a complete accurate copy of one in his hand to make these.
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Notice the little extrusion designed to work with the 2.1cm lens.

I've heard at least one report that the 2.1cm lens doesn't work well with the adapter, but obviously James' works fine.
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I've heard at least one report that the 2.1cm lens doesn't work well with the adapter, but obviously James' works fine.
The F-mount 2.1cm does mount on the F-S adapter, but not smoothly like the Voigtlander 12mm and 15mm Heliars. Some fiddling is required to get it on there. That was my experience anyway.
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I don't doubt it, it takes some fiddling to mount it onto an F or F2!

I wonder if it's better to mount the adapter to the camera first, and then the lens, or the lens first to the adapter, and then the whole assembly onto the camera...
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I don't doubt it, it takes some fiddling to mount it onto an F or F2!

I wonder if it's better to mount the adapter to the camera first, and then the lens, or the lens first to the adapter, and then the whole assembly onto the camera...
Mounting the lens/adapter combo on the camera is straightforward. Mounting the lens on the adapter is the tricky bit. From memory, the instructions state that the adapter is not designed to work with the F-mount 2.1cm, and its a very tight fit getting the lens through the adapter so it can be mounted.
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...the instructions state that the adapter is not designed to work with the F-mount 2.1cm, and its a very tight fit getting the lens through the adapter so it can be mounted.
Why would they have the little nub to mate with the 2.1cm lens then? Unless I'm misconstruing that extrusion in the photos?
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Why would they have the little nub to mate with the 2.1cm lens then? Unless I'm misconstruing that extrusion in the photos?
Its been a while since I've handled the adapter and any of the mentioned lenses, but suspect the nub is designed for the F-mount Heliar 12mm and 15mm. I think the adapter was designed to work with these two lenses first and foremost (Voigtlander adapter for Voigtlander lenses) and if any other lenses happen to mount on the adapter, then that's a bonus.
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>>Any Machinist will tell you he needs a complete blue print drawing with all the accurate measurements on it, or a complete accurate copy of one in his hand to make these.<<

Anyone with access to Nikon RF and Nikon F cameras has access to the accurate measurements/variables, and the designer has worked with these before.

Thanks, James, for posting the images. I'm sure that helps quite a lot.
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After James24 was kind enough to post the photos of the adapter, I emailed Amedeo Muscelli with a link to this thread, and this is the reply I received from him tonight:

Hello Robert,

This is a easy adapter, the only part with some difficulty is the lock button for to release the adapter from the S mount, I canīt see it on this adapter
so will make my own design.

The next week I take christmas vacation from my main work, and will have time to design it, will keep you informed.

Regards,
Amedeo.

I am not involved in this venture in any way other than as someone who wants an adapter for himself, so I advise anyone who is interested in buying one if and when Amedeo makes them to contact him directly.
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There is no lock button, since it is a breech lock. You just tighten it on the camera. WES
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>>Any Machinist will tell you he needs a complete blue print drawing with all the accurate measurements on it, or a complete accurate copy of one in his hand to make these.<<

Anyone with access to Nikon RF and Nikon F cameras has access to the accurate measurements/variables, and the designer has worked with these before.

Thanks, James, for posting the images. I'm sure that helps quite a lot.
Amadeo used to make caps for Nikkor and Contax rangefinder lenses.
He already has those measurements since he made those caps.

Amadeo obviously has experience in making adapters, he already makes a variety of them.

check his ebay offerings, it's quite extensive!
http://www.ebay.com/sch/amedeo.m/m.h...88.m1543.l2654


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After James24 was kind enough to post the photos of the adapter, I email Amedeo Muscelli with a link to this thread, and this is the reply I received from him tonight:

Hello Robert,

This is a easy adapter, the only part with some difficulty is the lock button for to release the adapter from the S mount, I canīt see it on this adapter
so will make my own design.

The next week I take christmas vacation from my main work, and will have time to design it, will keep you informed.

Regards,
Amedeo.

I am not involved in this venture in any way other than as someone who wants an adapter for himself, so I advise anyone who is interested in buying one if and when Amedeo makes them to contact him directly.
Robert
Can we call it an RBS Adapter anyway?

You are getting the prototype, I am jealous...
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Amadeo used to make caps for Nikkor and Contax rangefinder lenses.
He already has those measurements since he made those caps.

Amadeo obviously has experience in making adapters, he already makes a variety of them.

check his ebay offerings, it's quite extensive!
http://www.ebay.com/sch/amedeo.m/m.h...88.m1543.l2654




Can we call it an RBS Adapter anyway?

You are getting the prototype, I am jealous...
Why would you want to name it after me? All I did was suggest to someone who already makes adapters that he produce another in these particular mounts.
I think it makes more sense to name it after it's maker, the person who is doing all the work: Amedeo Nikon F-S adapter.
I might be getting one, but I don't have it yet, so you should save your jealousy for when it is actually in hand. Besides, I assume that after the initial prep work and confirmation that it fits and works, he'll be more than happy to crank out as many as people ask for. You can have one too. And if you like, you can tell people that he made the prototype for you. It will be our little secret.
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So, in case anyone was wondering, this is what an F-S adapter looks like on the SP w/ 2.1cm lens attached:



It's a gorgeous setup. The 2.1cm is a great lens. Here's a snapshot I took today testing the rig at my usual location, a huge cemetery down the street from where I work:



It works very well. The 2.1cm lens comes on and off easily.

Now to get one of them there CV 15mm f/4.5 F-mount lenses....

Oh, and for anyone who wants to know, the F-S adapter works just fine on an Amedeo adapter, meaning I can then adapt F-mount lenses to LTM mount. Not particularly useful for someone just wanting a Nikon->Leica adapter but since I have both...might as well do it. On the M9 the 2.1cm is absolutely horrendous and even my attempt at creating a profile in CornerFix was unsuccessful. I might try with a better, more controlled lighting setup but for now it seems to be useless. Good thing I shoot mostly film.
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An update for those of you interested in the F-S Adapter.
I received an email this morning from Amadeo reading as follows:
"Hi,
Hope to have the adapter ready in a couple of weeks, have some problems with the springs for the F mount.

Regards,
Amedeo."

It would seem these will soon be a reality.
I'll keep everyone posted.
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Robert, thanks for the update I am definitely interested.
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another update:
The adapter is ready but Amedeo insists on sending it to me to inspect and ensure that it works before I send him payment(!!!!) What an incredible fellow!
I'll keep you all posted.
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Nice. What's the cost looking like?
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He said about $150.00, but I'm not sure if that includes shipping or not. We'll see.
Also, it's possible that since the R &D and initial prep work is done, the cost may drop depending on how many additional adapters he makes.
Again, I'm not the person to speak to: Amedeo is making them. I'm just a Nikon-using customer who wants one, so any inquiries should be directed to him.
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Thanks, and you're right, I was just curious. Perhaps my F-S adapter is now worth more as a collectible, if his adapter works as well. Interesting to hear how it works for you. I am also wondering what lenses you are looking at using, and I wonder if the 2.1cm will work on your adapter.
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Robert, I'm curious to know which lenses you plan to use on the adapter. The ideal ones would be the F-mount 12mm Heliar or 15mm Heliar, but they're hard to find these days and prices have skyrocketed.
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Robert, I'm curious to know which lenses you plan to use on the adapter. The ideal ones would be the F-mount 12mm Heliar or 15mm Heliar, but they're hard to find these days and prices have skyrocketed.
You're right about the 12 or 15, but I'm not interested in buying either so, for now, I'll probably start off with my Vivitar 19 3.8 and experiment.
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Another update.
I received a tracking notice from FEDEX that the adapter is on its way to me.
More when it arrives.
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Yet another update;
Adapter delivered this morning by Fedex.
I'll see it when I get home tonight, and let you all know all about it.
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The mount arrived today and it is stunning! The prototype is brass as I said I preferred it to a chromed finish, and the workmanship is exquisite.
It mounted easily on an SP body and my Vivitar 19mm 3.8 in Nikon F mount mounted easily to the adapter. Similarly the lens easily dismounted from the adapter and the adapter from the body, so the tolerances are excellent.
I plan to shoot a roll of print film on the weekend ( so I can get it developed quickly) to see how well I can scale focus.
I'm meeting a photobud this weekend and will get him to take a few digital shots of the adapter and lens mounted to a body so you can all see what it looks like.
I'm still waiting for Amedeo to give me a final cost for it so I can send him payment, but I suggest that anyone who has an interest in getting one contact him directly to discuss getting one made.
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Can't wait until you post the shots of an adapter! Congratulation Robert.


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The mount arrived today and it is stunning! The prototype is brass as I said I preferred it to a chromed finish, and the workmanship is exquisite.
It mounted easily on an SP body and my Vivitar 19mm 3.8 in Nikon F mount mounted easily to the adapter. Similarly the lens easily dismounted from the adapter and the adapter from the body, so the tolerances are excellent.
I plan to shoot a roll of print film on the weekend ( so I can get it developed quickly) to see how well I can scale focus.
I'm meeting a photobud this weekend and will get him to take a few digital shots of the adapter and lens mounted to a body so you can all see what it looks like.
I'm still waiting for Amedeo to give me a final cost for it so I can send him payment, but I suggest that anyone who has an interest in getting one contact him directly to discuss getting one made.
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I'm also curious to see the adapter Rob, and of course to purchase one from Amadeo.
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Prototype sent to Robert and waiting the test results.
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Wow! That is very nice! I am a big fan of fine craftsmanship
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Wow! That is very nice. Send my regards to Amedo for his excellent craftsmanship!
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You just did.
Good lord, that's what sleep deprivation does to me. I thought OP had posted those photos.

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