Avenon MC 28mm f/3.5 L39 vs. CV 28mm f/3.5 LTM?
Old 02-17-2016   #1
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Avenon MC 28mm f/3.5 L39 vs. CV 28mm f/3.5 LTM?

Anyone knows the difference between these two lenses, in terms of contrast, resolution and sharpness? Which one do you prefer?
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Old 02-17-2016   #2
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I owned the CV 28/3.5 in S-mount only briefly but liked the Avenon 28/3.5 in LTM mount quite a lot. I think that the CV tends to give slightly higher contrast photos.

CV 28/3.5 (S-mount)

201008-10-SP-400PR 35 copy by Gabor Samjeske, on Flickr

Avenon 28/3.5 (LTM)

201105-11-M4Ps-LEGACYPRO-28AVENON-40ROK-15 copy by Gabor Samjeske, on Flickr

201010-LV2-M7-PRO800Z-50ZM-28AVENON 27 copy by Gabor Samjeske, on Flickr

A photo of the Avenon lens and finder mounted on a M4-P I had briefly

Leica M4-P / AVENON 38/3.5 LTM by Gabor Samjeske, on Flickr
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Very intriguing combination of M4-P with 28mm framelines and huge (it seems) Kobalux 28mm VF on top of it.
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Very intriguing combination of M4-P with 28mm framelines and huge (it seems) Kobalux 28mm VF on top of it.
At that time I was still wearing glasses so the 28mm frame lines of the Leica were of no help for me. The Avenon VF was really good.
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At that time I was still wearing glasses so the 28mm frame lines of the Leica were of no help for me. The Avenon VF was really good.
Thank you, Gabor!
It is important for me as well.
Where are some reviews on this lens, but not on VF.
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Thank you, Gabor!
It is important for me as well.
Where are some reviews on this lens, but not on VF.
I think Dante had a nice kind of review about the Kobalux/Avenon lenses here.
Long time discontinued and I was lucky finding one here for a good price. Since f/3.5 is a little bit to limiting for me I later sold it.
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Old 02-18-2016   #7
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still wouldn't mind playing with a CV 28mm 3.5, however the Avenon 28mm 3.5 is keeping me happy until I finally get a 28mm Elmarit.

I find the Avenon sharp and contrasty enough for my need, only complaint I have is it vignettes until you stop it down to f/8 or f/11.

the VF is big, equally as big as the Leica 28mm viewfinder though.

here are some shots taken with it.
M240 + Kobalux 28mm by Earl Dieta, on Flickr
M240 + Avenon 28mm by Earl Dieta, on Flickr
M3 + Avenon 28mm by Earl Dieta, on Flickr
M3 + Avenon 28mm by Earl Dieta, on Flickr
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I am having both, respectively silver Kobalux 28mm.
I am not sure about Avenon, but mine silver Kobalux has close focus from 1m, while Skopar 28mm goes to standard 0,7m.
But I definitely prefer Kobalux output.
The hood is screw in and it vignettes with the filter. Without filter with hood on or filter only it is perfectly fine.
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I don't think you can go wrong with either lens in the price range.
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I find that the CV 28 3.5 also vignettes noticeably until you stop it down to about f/8.
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What a magical coincidence which could only happen on RFF!

This just came with Canada post!



Used, with some noticeable, but not critical play in the focus ring (the ring rotation is slightly stiff as well), solid aperture clicks, LTM, 1 meter, six aperture blades Avenon MC.

The viewfinder isn't big in this version. Easy to take apart for cleaning, all metal and glass. The bad side - it is little bit blurry.

I'm going to check how this lens will perform of FED-2 and M4-2. I always wanted to try it in Winogrand style, RF camera with external VF and 28 lens.
I don't need it to be 0.7. I think, I'll be close enough to pedestrians at one meter.
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I sold my Canon 28/3.5 ltm when I got a Kobalux 28/3.5. I love the images from the Kobalux. It is a wonderful lens overall. I have never used CV 28/3.5 lens, so I cannot compare the two lenses here.



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nice black one! enjoy the lens, great performer.

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What a magical coincidence which could only happen on RFF!

This just came with Canada post!



Used, with some noticeable, but not critical play in the focus ring (the ring rotation is slightly stiff as well), solid aperture clicks, LTM, 1 meter, six aperture blades Avenon MC.

The viewfinder isn't big in this version. Easy to take apart for cleaning, all metal and glass. The bad side - it is little bit blurry.

I'm going to check how this lens will perform of FED-2 and M4-2. I always wanted to try it in Winogrand style, RF camera with external VF and 28 lens.
I don't need it to be 0.7. I think, I'll be close enough to pedestrians at one meter.
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The 28 Kobalux is even better on a crop body like the M8!

Sure, it has less contrast than most modern lenses, but more than most vintage lenses. A good mild lens that is extremely compact!
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I sold my Canon 28/3.5 ltm when I got a Kobalux 28/3.5. I love the images from the Kobalux. It is a wonderful lens overall. I have never used CV 28/3.5 lens, so I cannot compare the two lenses here.



Nice shots, the color and light provide life to photos. Is this typical of the lens or a quality of the photographer?
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This is an excellent lens in my opinion. It does very well with Fuji Reala film, and I expect it to do well with the digital Leica too.



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On the other hand, I really needed to get a low contrast lens........like Canon 28mm
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On the other hand, I really needed to get a low contrast lens........like Canon 28mm

These has been a good discussion on Canon 28mm 3.5 & 2.8 LTM lenses. Thank you, it is the first link that comes after Googling the Canons. Having the Leica 28/2.8 ASPH, I found it to be a phenomenal lens, very sharp with very high contrast. I wanted to have a lens with moderate contrast for use in black and white and some OLD school feeling color. So, I started asking in this forum and found these two lenses. I just got the most beautiful pieces of art I have ever seen: The Canon Serenar 28/2.8 LTM and the Canon 28/2.8 LTM. They came from Japan and are in excellent condition. Most impressive is the size of these lenses and their weight, relative to their size. I plan to explore and shoot with these two lenses and post some of the shots here. It will show the lenses' behavior on the Leica M8 and M9 cameras. I personally, like them both. Here are some shots:

Canon 28/2.8 ltm:


Canon28mmf2.8LTM-ElToroBarraks by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr



Simplicity by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr



The Waiting Game by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr


Canon Serenar 28/3.5 LTM:



USPS Annex Bldg. by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr



A Street Musician by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr



Canon Serenar 28-3.5 ltm - Scientist by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr










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I am having both, respectively silver Kobalux 28mm.
I am not sure about Avenon, but mine silver Kobalux has close focus from 1m, while Skopar 28mm goes to standard 0,7m.
But I definitely prefer Kobalux output.
The hood is screw in and it vignettes with the filter. Without filter with hood on or filter only it is perfectly fine.
There is a very late version of the Kobalux that focuses to 0.8. You don't see it often. It was a post-2000 version. It has a silver front ring, and a black focusing ring with numbers in white and orange. The latest 21mm focuses closer too, but that, again, is something of a unicorn. For most people, the minimum focus on a 21-28mm lens is not going to make or break a picture, but it can make or break your wallet.

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I took Avenon to Big City on short trip only once as of now.

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Small size and stiff focus are handy

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Oh I like the red leather on the Leica M4 -P! Where does it come from?

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I owned the CV 28/3.5 in S-mount only briefly but liked the Avenon 28/3.5 in LTM mount quite a lot. I think that the CV tends to give slightly higher contrast photos.

CV 28/3.5 (S-mount)

201008-10-SP-400PR 35 copy by Gabor Samjeske, on Flickr

Avenon 28/3.5 (LTM)

201105-11-M4Ps-LEGACYPRO-28AVENON-40ROK-15 copy by Gabor Samjeske, on Flickr

201010-LV2-M7-PRO800Z-50ZM-28AVENON 27 copy by Gabor Samjeske, on Flickr

A photo of the Avenon lens and finder mounted on a M4-P I had briefly

Leica M4-P / AVENON 38/3.5 LTM by Gabor Samjeske, on Flickr
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