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Old 09-12-2016   #41
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snip...The problem with the digital cameras is that they end up being obsolete in few years because of the digital advances...snip
I've never understood this comment. I believe it to be pure marketing wank.

If the camera was good enough for one to buy and produced images one were happy with then why would it become obsolete after only a few years? The camera still takes the same images that it did on day 1.

I believe this obsolescence to be in the mind of the beholder planted therein by marketing people.

Would you deem a late model car obsolete? They get you from point A to B
Just like a 3,5,10 year old camera can still get you that 8x10 or even 11x14.

Not to beat up on you Pepe but something has to be said about the "O" word coming up in a thread about the M8 after I made a post about its usefulness in 2016.
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... Not to beat up on you Pepe but something has to be said about the "O" word coming up in a thread about the M8 after I made a post about its usefulness in 2016.

Well, in a way, the first digital Leica was the M8 with the ISO limitation. Then the M9 came. That was a technological improvement. I can now take good shots at ISO2500. Then the M246 came wit a better viewfinder that allows you to zoom while focusing. Those are little improvements that keep the people interested in the latest. I like the colors of the M8 and M9 and decided not to pursue the M246 because my M8 and M9 are worth a small fraction of what I paid. Instead of getting some little money, I decided to keep the two cameras, and invest in the mechanical tools already proven, the M3 and M5. Again, all these is to be able to use the Leica lenses.
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I've never understood this comment. I believe it to be pure marketing wank.
Agreed. I still have the original Canon 5D and the M8 --both bought 10 years ago new.

They are both awesome for B&W work. I've really worked theirs shutters...still on clicking.
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M8/9 shutter sound was non issue 5-10 years ago. In interwebs they became loud only after newer models came to market.
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I have now ordered a almost "brand new" M8 with 6 months warranty. I will get it to morrow.
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I have now ordered a almost "brand new" M8 with 6 months warranty. I will get it to morrow.
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I have now ordered a almost "brand new" M8 with 6 months warranty. I will get it to morrow.
Congratulations. I now remember why I went to Leica after using Pentax, and Canon: The size. Those were too big and lenses were heavy. After 1 month walking in England, I developed back pain. That is when I sold Canon and moved into Leica. Although, I had to get used to MF again, and the RF, I now love the RF and the quality of the Leica lenses.
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If you are looking to get into Leica and M glass then I would say this isn't as much of an advantage as there are many cheaper offerings out there.
If you want a digital camera, there really aren't many cheaper alternatives. There is only the Epson, which I have recently seen go for anything between 50-100% of what the M8 is selling for at the lower end. Perhaps some later ones are still available new from Japan. If yes, those should command M9 prices.

Having extensively used these two cameras side by side, the M8 for me is easily worth the money for its performance. The issue with both of these cameras is the crop factor which may limit your lens choices. The files are also small given current display resolutions. But they print fine and can be viewed large on displays from normal viewing distances.
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M8/9 shutter sound was non issue 5-10 years ago. In interwebs they became loud only after newer models came to market.
no...if you were there, the general consensus was that the shutters were loud. go look at posts from back then.
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no...if you were there, the general consensus was that the shutters were loud. go look at posts from back then.
my impression is opposite. shutter noise was on par with other contemporary digital cameras. M8/9 all the sudden became loud, when Leica brought new models that were quieter.
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My original M8 was loud, but I got used to the sound. When I got the M9, I missed the sound. When I got the M8.u, it is quieter than the M8, but I like the sound still. No stealth photos are possible.
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It was a bad idea! I got it today, the sensor had a blue line in it.. I guess it can't be fixed? I'm happy that i can return it.
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my impression is opposite. shutter noise was on par with other contemporary digital cameras. M8/9 all the sudden became loud, when Leica brought new models that were quieter.
Nope, the M8 was so loud compared to any other Leica rangefinder before it that people DID complain right from the start.
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No stealth photos are possible.
In silent environment for sure, but with a little noise around nobody will hear it in 3m or more distance. The shutter sound is the smallest problem in stealth mode, dito the size of the camera as long as you don't shoot with an 8X10 The behavior makes the big difference, and this starts with the unnecessary fear that somebody could hear the shutter. You can easily recognize this stealth mode shooting-from-the hip-with silent-mirrorless-via-touchscreen-feeling-guilty-shooter always because they look like little kids who do something wrong. I shoot since 1 year 'stealth' with a Nikon F3 (similar loud to the M8) and nobody realized it until now because of the shutter sound, and I get sometimes really close to my objects.

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In silent environment for sure, but with a little noise around nobody will hear it in 3m or more distance. The shutter sound is the smallest problem in stealth mode, dito the size of the camera as long as you don't shoot with an 8X10 The behavior makes the big difference, and this starts with the unnecessary fear that somebody could hear the shutter. You can easily recognize this stealth mode shooting-from-the hip-with silent-mirrorless-via-touchscreen-feeling-guilty-shooter always because they look like little kids who do something wrong. I shoot since 1 year 'stealth' with a Nikon F3 (similar loud to the M8) and nobody realized it until now because of the shutter sound, and I get sometimes really close to my objects.

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true, but not everything can be dealt with through behavior, so there are times and places where a quiet shutter is a good thing. it has been an advantage that rangefinders traditionally have had over slrs, and now a big reason why they pay a premium for the priviledge, so people get frustrated when it is not the case.

anyhow...
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Nope, the M8 was so loud compared to any other Leica rangefinder before it that people DID complain right from the start.
well yes, compared to film Leica's, agreed.
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well yes, compared to film Leica's, agreed.
maybe he missed the part where you said other contemporary digital cameras.
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It was a bad idea! I got it today, the sensor had a blue line in it.. I guess it can't be fixed? I'm happy that i can return it.
Not a bad idea, just bad luck or a lazy/dishonest seller.

You cannot fix it yourself. Leica can take care of the issue. Returning the camera may be the path of least hassle.
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Not a bad idea, just bad luck or a lazy/dishonest seller.

You cannot fix it yourself. Leica can take care of the issue. Returning the camera may be the path of least hassle.
I too ordered "like new" M8 for a reputable seller that also offers 6-month warranty. I elected to let them sent to Leica to fix the vertical line of my "like new" M8 instead of just return it (the shutter count was so low!). It has been 3 months now and they still cannot tell me when I will get my camera back.
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sad to here, but for sure no individual case, even guys in Germany have to wait sometimes months to get their camera back. I was also tempted by the M8 as comeback to the RF world, but finally decided to get a fresh CLA'd M2 for exactly this reason.

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maybe he missed the part where you said other contemporary digital cameras.
or I was replying to the part where he said he didn't hear the complaints until newer models were brought to the market.
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Not a bad idea at all; if one is prepared to accept the well documented issues of the M8.

I bought 2 new M8s when they came out. I still use them.
They have traveled the world with me. And my M8s have allowed me to produce images that, in my limited capacity as a photog, have been wonderful.

Many hang on the walls of family and friends. Not to mention having been used in pamphlets and magazines of international charities.

But I have to take issue with those that have hit out at an image posted in this thread saying that it showed no advantages over any taken with a digital p&s and/or canikon.

I could safely say that of any image posted in this, or any other, forum. Any camera ( except specialist shots e.g macro ) could be taken with any imaging device.

To imply such, is insensitive and to some extent displays ignorance of the choices people make.

Here are some of the images I made with my M8s. Of course, they could have been made, even made better, with any camera. But these were not. These were made with the M8. The process, the lens, the handling , the M8 and I made these images. Blame me for the image quality.














And for the last one; from one of the many places the M8 went with me, and since I too use a cane now a days...

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Hi Faris,

You've made some outstanding images with your M8s. My favorite is the final one of the woman with the cane.

I've been following this thread since it started. I blame you for my decision to buy an M8, thank you.

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Hi Lou.

Just make sure you buy from someone reputable with a reasonable warranty.

Good luck and enjoy the wonderful M8.

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Hi Faris,

You've made some outstanding images with your M8s. My favorite is the final one of the woman with the cane.

I've been following this thread since it started. I blame you for my decision to buy an M8, thank you.

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Old 10-04-2016   #65
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Great thread! In particular the images Faris. Am thinking now is the time to add an M8 to my M6 + 35mm f2 Summicron.

Would be interested in an opinion as to 2006 M8 versus 2008 M8. One from reputable deter with limited warranty and the newer one "caveat emptor". Price differential, of course, of nearly USD 300.
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My first RF was a M8 and I absolutely loved it. Its what drew me back into photography. As I was shooting more I wanted more out of the camera, mainly higher iso and the ability to use other specialty lens. I eventually traded in my mint 1300 exposure M8 for a M240. The M240 has been good to me and I use it for personal work, Studio, Weddings and School assignments. But something was missing. For all the new things that the M240 could do I missed the things that the M8 did best. It might just be GAS but i purchased a M8 the other day and am using it as my everyday camera for personal work. I specifically went with the M8 because it was cheaper than the M9 and I didnt want to have to worry about sending it out for eventual sensor corrosion repair.
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