35mm Summicron bringing up wrong framelines

[pdexposures]

I picked up a Leica M2 and 35mm Summicron (version 1 I assume as it has mounts for goggles) for pennies the other day. They are both in user condition but mechanically sound.

Anyway, the Summicron brings up the 50mm framelines on both the M2 and my M6 classic. Although when on the M6 classic, the frameliens are just barely brought up. If I push on the frameline selector lever, it doesn't snap back into place. It will slowly move to the 50/75 position.

Is this an issue with the lens/camera? Or were these old Summicrons supposed to bring up the 50mm framelines to be used with the M3?

Thanks!

[FrankS]

If it is the version requiring goggles, then it should bring up the 50mm framelines. The negative magnification of the goggles expands this 50mm frame to a 35mm view.
You will have to use the lens' distance scale to focus this lens without its goggles, and manually bring up the camera's 35m framelines using the selector lever.

[pdexposures]

Originally Posted by FrankS

If it is the version requiring goggles, then it should bring up the 50mm framelines.
You will have to use the lens' distance scale to focus this lens without its goggles.

Interesting, thanks a bunch!

[pdexposures]

Follow up question, if I were to seek out goggles. Would ones from a 35mm Summaron work as well? Or do I need the 35mm Summicron specific ones?

[FrankS]

Don't know that one.

Looks like the goggles are available on eBay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXCEPTIONAL-...item4608ab75a2

In his description, the seller seems to indicate that the goggles work for the different 35mm lenses.

[Rob-F]

The Goggles are not so easy to find. "Someone" has already "robbed" (OK "liberated") the goggles from yours, to fit them onto another lens. I can just about guess which lens: the 21mm Super-Angulon. Another "Someone" got tired of losing the 21mm finders, and invented a mod whereby the goggles are mounted on the 21mm, making the whole field of view appear in the 28mm framelines! Clever, no? I don't know how many of these were done, but there are apparently some number of Summarons and Summicrons out there that are missing their goggles!

I won't say who came up with this cool idea, because he's a forum member--a sponsor in fact--and I don't want you to be mad at him! (But he might chime in--you never know!)

[rlouzan]

Shhhh ... I think Reinhold Mueller made one for TomA.

[zuiko85]

Does this mean the lens will not focus correctly with the RF because it has to have the goggles to use the RF also?

[denizg7]

where do you guys get this gear for pennis holy crap I look everywhere and I pay premium price for my gear and everytime im at goodwill to find a hidden gem i find a polaroid ,christ

[Tom A]

Most of the "goggled" 21's were made with a supply of goggles that Reinhold had - few were "liberated" from existing lenses. All in all there were about 12-15 of these done, mostly 21f3.4 SA, but also some 21f2.8 and at least one 21f2.8 Asph. The later one were a bit nerve shattering to do as you had to put the whole lens in a lathe and shave off some material from the back!!!!
With your "de-goggled" 35f2 you can have it re-calibrated to focus properly (DAG or Golden Touch can probably do it). The 35 frame lines can be brought up by filing down the bayonet claw that sets the frame-lines. The 35mm setting is a default setting so it is not critical - just take off about 1-1.2 mm with a small file. Check on the information regarding the Nokton 40mm f1.4 as many users (me included) prefer the 35 frame with this lens .
The "goggled" 21 work quite well and saved a fortune in lost 21 finders!
Reinhold is still alive, but in a long term care facility unfortunately and does not do any custom stuff any more. Of course, this meant that I didn't make one extra goggled 21 to keep - nor did we ever get the 180f3.4 Apo Telyt M-mount done (using the Elmarit 135f2.8 "eyes" and a different focussing helicoil and have the 135 mount bring up 135 and magnify it to about 170-175 mm).

[rlouzan]

Tom,

I stand corrected. I still remember his web page and some books with pictures of his designs. How about a thread dedicated to Reinhold?

Regards,
Robert

[FrankS]

Originally Posted by Tom A

Most of the "goggled" 21's were made with a supply of goggles that Reinhold had - few were "liberated" from existing lenses. All in all there were about 12-15 of these done, mostly 21f3.4 SA, but also some 21f2.8 and at least one 21f2.8 Asph. The later one were a bit nerve shattering to do as you had to put the whole lens in a lathe and shave off some material from the back!!!!
With your "de-goggled" 35f2 you can have it re-calibrated to focus properly (DAG or Golden Touch can probably do it). The 35 frame lines can be brought up by filing down the bayonet claw that sets the frame-lines. The 35mm setting is a default setting so it is not critical - just take off about 1-1.2 mm with a small file. Check on the information regarding the Nokton 40mm f1.4 as many users (me included) prefer the 35 frame with this lens .
The "goggled" 21 work quite well and saved a fortune in lost 21 finders!
Reinhold is still alive, but in a long term care facility unfortunately and does not do any custom stuff any more. Of course, this meant that I didn't make one extra goggled 21 to keep - nor did we ever get the 180f3.4 Apo Telyt M-mount done (using the Elmarit 135f2.8 "eyes" and a different focussing helicoil and have the 135 mount bring up 135 and magnify it to about 170-175 mm).

This would require a different focusing helix, right?
This calibration is not simply a matter of shims.

[pdexposures]

Originally Posted by FrankS

This would require a different focusing helix, right?
This calibration is not simply a matter of shims.

I'd really be interested in learning if this is possible. It would save me the trouble of finding goggles.

[Vics]

Originally Posted by pdexposures

I'd really be interested in learning if this is possible. It would save me the trouble of finding goggles.

Write Don at dagcam@chorus.net.

[NicoM]

May I ask how much that kit cost you?