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08-27-2012
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Erwin Puts on the Monochrom
Mr. Puts is printing his analysis of the Monochrom here. So far, it is only partially up.
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a most interesting start of a major test. i admire Erwin Puts. A few feathers bound to be ruffled! Two major things to know, how the Monochrom compares to film, not only the M9 or one of the DSLR, Nikon and Canon!
Unlike a few other reviews of hundreds of lines per millimeter, we see here low numbers, but more than sufficient! Knew it when one read EP sold his M9. The M10 not far behind?
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I'll read that when I've run out of socks to darn! 
I like Puts though ... he's thorough and quite straight forward.
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"When you take a M9 image file and transfer it to black and white there is always a slight color cast."
Amusing.
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08-28-2012
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"When you take a M9 image file and transfer it to black and white there is always a slight color cast."
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Hmmm It is not quite as strange as it seems at first sight.:
http://shutha.org/node/840 |
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08-29-2012
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Quote:
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"When you take a M9 image file and transfer it to black and white there is always a slight color cast."
Amusing.
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Well, that may be. But if there is, it's still not enough to make me buy ANOTHER very pricey M9--which only shoots in black and white. |
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08-29-2012
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If you can understand what Erwin Puts is saying you deserve a medal....or maybe I'm just a bit dumb
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Quote:
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Well, that may be. But if there is, it's still not enough to make me buy ANOTHER very pricey M9--which only shoots in black and white.
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The Monochrom is not a B+W M9. In terms of image quality, it supersedes the M9, color excluded of course. |
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The Monochrom is not a B+W M9. In terms of image quality, it supersedes the M9, color excluded of course.
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Huh, never realized that it IS considered a seperate entity from the M9. |
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Huh, never realized that it IS considered a seperate entity from the M9.
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It sure is. It's not the M9M or M9 Monochrom. It's the M Monochrom and vastly superior in noise performance and also has a resolution advantage that os very noticeable at high ISO because it retains so much information thats lost in noise on the M9. |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leicashot
The Monochrom is not a B+W M9. In terms of image quality, it supersedes the M9, color excluded of course.
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Maybe. But I doubt the image quality is so sufficiently superior as to make it worthwhile to shell out another $7,000. And the M9 allows me the option of shooting in color AND B&W (with a little processing, of course....) |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Luscher
Maybe. But I doubt the image quality is so sufficiently superior as to make it worthwhile to shell out another $7,000. And the M9 allows me the option of shooting in color AND B&W (with a little processing, of course....)
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Paul,
Shooting color does not interest me. I'm an old B&W analog guy. M9M is the camera for me. I skipped the M9 and saved $7K. For me the IQ is superior, but I also understand in your case a M9 is better for you.
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Paul,
Shooting color does not interest me. I'm an old B&W analog guy. M9M is the camera for me. I skipped the M9 and saved $7K. For me the IQ is superior, but I also understand in your case a M9 is better for you.
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I believe if you have not been shooting any color for a very long time, then the M9m is the best choice out there.
Obviously there are enough photographers that feel your way to allow Leica to consider building this camera.
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Quote:
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I believe if you have not been shooting any color for a very long time, then the M9m is the best choice out there.
Obviously there are enough photographers that feel your way to allow Leica to consider building this camera.
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Fred,
Perhaps I've shot a dozen rolls of color over the past 4 years, and this is only because someone gives it to me for free, or I get some incredible deal.
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If you can understand what Erwin Puts is saying you deserve a medal....or maybe I'm just a bit dumb
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I fully agree... with the fact that Erwin Puts' writings are incomprehensible of course |
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Mynheer Puts speaks double dutch.
(Don't everyone rip me a new one at once) |
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Ha! |
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Ha!
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First reviews of the prototype camera note that the main argument in favor of the Monochrom is a psychological one: loosing the ability to shoot in color forces the photographer into a discipline that visualizing and and shooting in black and white provides. If this argument were correct one would see a digital version of the Zone System soon.
I believe I posted my take with the same observation over a month ago on this site, only to be *** pooed and accused of not understanding digital cameras.
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I've been reading Puts for over twelve years now and find his writing spot on. What I like is how he doesn't dabble subjectiveness on reviews. Like Keith mentioned, he is to the point and thorough. I commend that, especially given all the superfluous reviewers on the web.
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I fully agree... with the fact that Erwin Puts' writings are incomprehensible of course |
Am I right in thinking that English is not Mr. Puts's first language?
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Am I right in thinking that English is not Mr. Puts's first language?
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You are right. |
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Am I right in thinking that English is not Mr. Puts's first language?
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No, Mr. Puts' first language is Dutch. Like mine. Trust me, it doesn't make any difference. |
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Am I right in thinking that English is not Mr. Puts's first language?
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I do not think language is his first language. 
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He speaks "Leica" and this is why no one understands him. Ha ha.
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I have yet to seen a picture of M9 B&W conversion vs MM, with identical histogram, curve, etc. but i am saving money slowly for MM, can always shoot Velvia for color.
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Part II (It's hard to find).
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