fuji xp-1 or leica m8.2 ?

[jsrockit]

So the M8 uses a different LCD than the M9?

[venchka]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

So the M8 uses a different LCD than the M9?

I have no idea. A hunch: Leica wants to sell new cameras rather than repair "old" ones.
It should be rather easy to compare dimensions of the two LCD screens. That be a clue that they are different. Or the dot count is different and not compatible with the internal software. Either way, Solms ain't replacing the LCD screen on the M8. Possibly the M8.2 as well if it is the same as the M8. That is speculation on my part.

Wayne

[jsrockit]

Well, it appears that our film friends here have been correct in digital cameras being throw aways... even a damn Leica M8 can't be repaired already? Wow, Leica should be ashamed of that.

[ajramirez]

Originally Posted by venchka

The following was posted at the Leica Users Group. Yes, it is about the M8. However, I doubt that the M8.2 is far behind.



Canon is dropping cameras and lenses from their approved repair list like hot potatoes approximately 8 years or less after they are discontinued.

Wayne

8 years of support on digital cameras may be irksome, but is not wholly unreasonable. I would dare say that 8 years of support on pro-quality lenses is unreasonable.

However, 3 years of support on a $7,000 - $8,000 camera (assuming the M9 is discontinued this year) is absolutely ludicrous. And what about the folks buying $50,000 Hermes Leicas. Will they be able to get their cameras repaired 3 years from now?

So much for an M-digital Leica being your partner for life.

Regards,

Antonio

[LeicaFan]

That's a real shame that Leica is doing this. A Leica is no longer an investment of a lifetime, but rather an expensive toy that you throw away once it breaks.

[LeicaFan]

Originally Posted by ajramirez

And what about the folks buying $50,000 Hermes Leicas. Will they be able to get their cameras repaired 3 years from now?

Regards,

Antonio

People who buy a $50,000 Hermes Leica probably blow their noses with $100 bills. Once the camera breaks, they can just buy a new one.

[Roger Hicks]

Well, how serious is a 'smudge'?

As for wiping your nose with a $100 bill, well, most bank-notes are of similar hardness, and if you've ever wiped your arse with a banknote (something everyone should do once, and noses are even more delicate) you'd know that this is a pretty silly image.

Cheers,

R.

[GaryLH]

Originally Posted by LeicaFan

That's a real shame that Leica is doing this. A Leica is no longer an investment of a lifetime, but rather an expensive toy that you throw away once it breaks.

This may not be really Leica's doing. I doubt that they are the original component manufacturer for the LCD in question here. Electronic components have an end of life cycle. I suspect that the original maker of the LCD component gave Leica a date for when they planned to stop production on this component and asked Leica about a one time end of life buy. It is up to the Leica product line manager to decide based on run rate how much to buy based on how long they want to support the product.

I don't expect any digital camera to have replacement parts for a lifetime.

Gary

[progie]

Originally Posted by GaryLH

This may not be really Leica's doing. I doubt that they are the original component manufacturer for the LCD in question here. Electronic components have an end of life cycle. I suspect that the original maker of the LCD component gave Leica a date for when they planned to stop production on this component and asked Leica about a one time end of life buy. It is up to the Leica product line manager to decide based on run rate how much to buy based on how long they want to support the product.

I don't expect any digital camera to have replacement parts for a lifetime.

Gary

That's why an XPro1 is probably the way to go. After the warranty, throw it away and buy a new body if it breaks.

[LeicaFan]

Originally Posted by GaryLH

This may not be really Leica's doing. I doubt that they are the original component manufacturer for the LCD in question here. Electronic components have an end of life cycle. I suspect that the original maker of the LCD component gave Leica a date for when they planned to stop production on this component and asked Leica about a one time end of life buy. It is up to the Leica product line manager to decide based on run rate how much to buy based on how long they want to support the product.

I don't expect any digital camera to have replacement parts for a lifetime.

Gary

Replacement parts for a lifetime, no, that would be ridiculous, but you'd expect these things to last more than 3 years, especially when they cost so much.

[GaryLH]

Originally Posted by LeicaFan

Replacement parts for a lifetime, no, that would be ridiculous, but you'd expect these things to last more than 3 years, especially when they cost so much.

I am not a Leica digital guy, so really don't even know when m8 was released. But if it really is around three years now, u can point the finger at Leica product line manager. He is the one responsible for projecting future sales and parts needed to repair the camera for as long as they are willing to do so....

Gary

[venchka]

I bought my M5 from a member here in mid-2006. He was selling gear to fund an M8. Seems like the M8 was trotted out at Photokina 2006. So, roughly 6 years later one particular part, the LCD screen, is no longer available. More critical parts may still be around. Call Leica, N.J. for the whole story.
I did send an 8 year old Canon pro "L" zoom lens in for repair. They sent it back. Too old, no longer serviced.

Wayne

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by venchka

I did send an 8 year old Canon pro "L" zoom lens in for repair. They sent it back. Too old, no longer serviced.

That's even crazier IMO.

[LeicaFan]

Originally Posted by GaryLH

I am not a Leica digital guy, so really don't even know when m8 was released. But if it really is around three years now, u can point the finger at Leica product line manager. He is the one responsible for projecting future sales and parts needed to repair the camera for as long as they are willing to do so....

Gary

Sorry, I was not careful about the way I worded my previous post. The M8 is not 3 years old, but about 3 years out of warranty.

Things just aren't built to last anymore. We live in a throw-away society. Hopefully my MP lasts me a while. I plan to take it to the grave with me.

[GaryLH]

Originally Posted by LeicaFan

Sorry, I was not careful about the way I worded my previous post. The M8 is not 3 years old, but about 3 years out of warranty.

Things just aren't built to last anymore. We live in a throw-away society. Hopefully my MP lasts me a while. I plan to take it to the grave with me.

No problem....

I suspect the day is coming when broken m8 cameras are going to e valuable for their parts their individual parts may be worth more than the base camera.

Gary

[Joosep]

Originally Posted by LeicaFan

Hopefully my MP lasts me a while. I plan to take it to the grave with me.

Could you invite me to your funeral (that is if I dont die before you) ?
Then Ill know where to dig.

Now that I think about it. These Leica cameras make me do crazy things...


On the serious note. m8.2 or xp1 ? xp1 is better I guess. Ill take the m8.2 any day
Maybe a fullframe nex is around the corner ?

[back alley]

what is really crazy is that many bought the m8 over a used rd1 for the servicing...i can still get my rd1 serviced in japan...

[Guaranteed]

Originally Posted by venchka

I did send an 8 year old Canon pro "L" zoom lens in for repair. They sent it back. Too old, no longer serviced.

Wayne

At least you can send it elsewhere to get fixed, plenty of bits and pieces floating about at repair centers.

I imagine DRFs are a bit different though, there being so few of them out there by comparison. That's why I'd go for the Fuji over the M8.2.

[tuanvinh2000]

Leica m8 for me based on image quality at low ISOs and lens compatibility in the future since you are already committed to the M Mount system. Keep your images' look consistent with the lens drawing as well.

[maitani]

i believe 'non service' on M8 is an urban legend, leica still repairs all M-camera body since 1954 (including digitals)

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by tuanvinh2000

Keep your images' look consistent with the lens drawing as well.

Only lens nerds think of this though... most of the people looking at your photos will never make a claim to see a lack of continuity based on lens drawing.

[gdi]

Originally Posted by back alley

what is really crazy is that many bought the m8 over a used rd1 for the servicing...i can still get my rd1 serviced in japan...

Evidently not for much longer, though....

Still a better record than Leica and the M8. BTW, there have been multiple users on LUF who confrmed the inability to service the M8 LCD with Leica. While the XP1 has problems, based on this news I would go with it over the M8; but count on using XF lenses rather than M-Mount for fuss-free use, IMO. And check Amazon outlet for extremely good camera/lens deals - the XP1 prices have dropped a lot on the used market.

My current struggle is whether to trade my M9 for an MP and ignore the high cost/short life span risk....

[Lss]

Originally Posted by gdi

BTW, there have been multiple users on LUF who confrmed the inability to service the M8 LCD with Leica. While the XP1 has problems, based on this news I would go with it over the M8

How common and problematic are these LCD issues then to base your camera choice over them being serviced? I have mostly seen users complain about a smudge or something similar, which really seems a rather minor problem for photography.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by Lss

How common and problematic are these LCD issues then to base your camera choice over them being serviced? I have mostly seen users complain about a smudge or something similar, which really seems a rather minor problem for photography.

There's the "coffee ring" issue... it's annoying, but doesn't make the LCD entirely useless. This issue was semi-common for the M8.

[gdi]

Originally Posted by Lss

How common and problematic are these LCD issues then to base your camera choice over them being serviced? I have mostly seen users complain about a smudge or something similar, which really seems a rather minor problem for photography.

Smudges, darkening (coffee stain), totally wacked and unusable are the problems I have heard of. Mine needed the LCD replaced because of the nasty brown stain; it was quite common. The real point is not that you could live with a damaged or nonfunctional LCD, but what else may be irrepairable on the M8 ( or my M9) ?