M10 upgrade

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by redisburning

Leica lives only because they occupy a space that has no competition in 35mm. And Canon would be making just as big a mistake trying to chase Leica's market as Leica would be chasing Canon's.

Right, some just don't seem to get this.

[icebear]

Originally Posted by jaapv

Not upgrading. M9 + MM is my dream team.

+1

[icebear]

Originally Posted by swoop

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The M9 works great but if the M10 has all the little features I crave like ISO 6400, larger/faster buffer, live view, upgraded LCD, film M size body, I can see myself getting one eventually but it's going to be at least 18 months until I can afford one and that's factoring in having to sell my M9.

A faster buffer is something that would be really nice, I have lost a couple of shots because the camera was writing to the card. I never shoot on "c" but a quick series of single shots. I changed to raw only, instead of raw and jpg fine in the beginning. So it's a bit better. But that single feature is not worth an upgrade for sure.

I don't care about live view or a better LCD, I don't chimp at all. And I also don't care about the M9 being a tiny bit larger than film M's. The quality of the files stunnes me every time when I open them in LR4.1 compared to my old 5x7 prints I used to get, this is waaaay better. And I don't care if theoretically a 25 ISO film could give an even better resolution on a tripod "w. hold your breath and cable release" than the current sensor of the M9.

For streetphotography the M9 is "enough already" (see same title essay on LULA....):
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/es...-already.shtml

[denizg7]

Originally Posted by redisburning

1 youre delusional if you think Fuji will dump their current lenses to make a full frame camera. they have a roadmap you know, they're married to aps-c for a long time

2 people buy Leica for the same reason they buy ferraris and vintage montblancs. it's got nothing to do with practicality, but with the subtle essence of the product. most people are too bullheaded to appreciate that level of subtlety, and even some people who get it in some places dont in others (e.g. all wine tastes like watery grape juice to me)

people push this "modernization" crap without understanding which parts of it are improvements and which parts are just different for the sake of being different. a ball point pen with usb storage and a laser pointer is a million miles more modern than any of my pens but it's still trashcan to write with.

Leica lives only because they occupy a space that has no competition in 35mm. And Canon would be making just as big a mistake trying to chase Leica's market as Leica would be chasing Canon's.

you obviously were not around when the m3 was announced and released. Fuji will increase their sensor size when the new x series comes out. Pretty sure Cosina Voigtlander still produces 35mm film cameras, oh and they are rangefinders

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by denizg7

you obviously were not around when the m3 was announced and released. Fuji will increase their sensor size when the new x series comes out.

You seem very sure of this... can I ask why?

[ChipMcD]

Originally Posted by f16sunshine

No, I'm not buying a Rumor

What Andy said.

[jaapv]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

Sure, until the M10 comes out... unless you stand by your bias against CMOS.

There is nothing there that I feel a need of...

[WPalank]

As a person who has never had any interest in shooting video with a DSLR, I still remember when Vincent Laforet released the video "Reverie" in Oct. 2009. It was the first the first 1080p video widely released that was shot with the Canon 5D MKII.
http://vimeo.com/7151244

If Leica does release a new digital M with video function, I can only imagine what that video would look like if shot with a Nocti and other Leica Glass. Not to mention, as hard as the Noctilux is to find these days, it may become near impossible.

I think I'm in. Just sayin'.

[Viktor Sebastian]

You can already use leica lenses on all sorts of video cameras.
https://vimeo.com/44434153
There really isn't much to gain into putting it into an M body. My guess is the video quality would be some sort of 8bit 4:2:0, rolling shutter rubbish anyway.

[WPalank]

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't the Red One a $25,000 video camera? Granted, who knows what Leica will be asking for the next Digital-M.

[Viktor Sebastian]

Yep, but you can also use a $300 Panasonic GH1, Sony Nex, etc.
https://vimeo.com/28881769

[semordnilap]

CMOS and live view I can see them doing... Video I think would be a bad idea. Better put the engineering resources into still image quality. I don't think Leica would sell many more cameras because of video.

[Gabriel M.A.]

I think those who pre-purchase based on rumours are called stock brokers.

[WPalank]

Originally Posted by Gabriel M.A.

I think those who pre-purchase based on rumours are called stock brokers.

Agreed.
But several stores around the world will assign your name to a list at the moment.

[Ben Z]

Originally Posted by WPalank

If Leica does release a new digital M with video function, I can only imagine what that video would look like if shot with a Nocti

I too can only imagine video with full-frame and the DOF of a 50mm @ f/0.95 and manual focus. Not a particularly pretty image I'm sad to say.

[Vincent.G]

I don't have any digital M.

My view is that if one chooses to go digital, the only direction to move is forward, not backwards from where you started.

My 2 cents worth.

[laskadog]

Thanks everyone for your answers. I (like many I presume) was waiting for Photokina to buy a used M9 as people jumped to the M10. However I started to have my doubts that not as many people would upgrade as we think. After looking at the poll results, it seems to me that there will be more people buyers of M9s than sellers. The law of supply and demand gives a good idea of future prices. I decided not to wait and recently bought an M9. I LOVE it, so I definitely won't be upgrading. Time will tell.

With many people jumping from digital to film to digital and so on, Leica would probably only need to improve high ISO, write speed and size to please Leicaphiles. My only wish would be a shutter advance like the RD-1. That way you could either cock the shutter manually (quietly) or automatically for speed. No need for a Thumbs-up anymore either.

[eleskin]

I am one of those people who skip the next best great thing and buys every other generation of equipment, be it cameras, cars, computers, etc,,,. When testing the M9 3 times, I came to the conclusion it was not a stellar leap past my M8 so instead, I bought 2 M8's, one new in 07, and one used a year ago and a NEX 5n for high ISO when I need it. . Now we have the M10 coming. I will wait 6 months into production just like I did for the M8 to avoid any problems and then take the plunge. If I would have bought an M9 I would not have the cash right now for an M10. I am sure the M10 will be way ahead of the M8. I am also sure you may see many M8 owners that held off buying the M9 upgrading to the M10. Maybe more so than M9 owners as a percentage.

[jsrockit]

Downgraded from M9 to M8. No chance of me buying a M10 until it is used and years old.

[eleskin]

jsrockit

I am very interested as to why you downgraded from the M9 to the M8.

Ed

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by eleskin

jsrockit

I am very interested as to why you downgraded from the M9 to the M8.

Ed

The M9 wasn't my main camera anymore and I couldn't have that kind of money laying around for sporadic use. So I sold it and all of my m lenses. Then I purchased a 5d MKII and M8 with CV 35mm 2.5 and put a few grand in the bank. Basically, I only wanted a M for when the rangefinder bug bit (digital gets more use than film for me) and now I have a much more versatile set-up for my needs.

[icebear]

Originally Posted by laskadog

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With many people jumping from digital to film to digital and so on, Leica would probably only need to improve high ISO, write speed and size to please Leicaphiles. ....

I'm not sure what the expectation are in regards to HIGH ISO and the IQ but this example is pretty darn ok in my book :
M9 ISO 1000, Planar 2/50, 1/60s f 2.8, no noise reduction, crop approx 1600 x 1400 from orig. and ridiculous 138kB jpg for posting:
And if there is any moiree showing, that is a jpg artefact on your screen, the orig. DNG is clean.

[clicker]

No thanks, very happy with my X-pro and M2.

[Phil_F_NM]

I upgraded my M9 to an excellent condition Nikon SP with a suite of lenses a few weeks ago.

Phil Forrest

[ruslan]

Downgraded from M9 to M8 too, M8 is a better camera for me, has 1/8000 shutter speed, 1/250 flash synch speed, small battery info window, better battery life, better image quality per pixel and color, can work easy in infrared.