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01-24-2012
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summar anyone?
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01-24-2012
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I had one years ago, it had a few problems. But it definitely had character, here are two (from 1964):

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01-24-2012
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If the lens is really in nice condition, with minimal cleaning marks, it should be worth the money spent. It is a very nice lens to use, in either B&W or color, with a character of its own. Also, its fairly scarce in the condition I mentioned. After all, it does date to the mid 30's, and most were used when cleaning with a necktie was considered OK.
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01-24-2012
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Sorry, I should have mentioned that I like the photos posted above. They do show the character of the lens much better than words.
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01-24-2012
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Nice shots Charjohn! Like the playboy shot with the cocktail and sixties hairdo a lot.
I passed the link on to a fellow RFF-er who had an interest but sadly missed it.
Real kind of the OP to post this!
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01-24-2012
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I've only shot a single roll of color with my Summar - a roll of expired Potra 400 VC in a light leak filled FED 2.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cannelbrae/5618737046/
I really need to try this lens again with more functional camera with a less saturation filled film. Love some of the results I've seen around.
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01-24-2012
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Donna Michelle! Best centerfold ever! Is that her holding her issue?

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01-25-2012
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Quote:
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Donna Michelle! Best centerfold ever! Is that her holding her issue?

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Thanks everyone, but no that is not Donna Michelle. She (Donna) used to come to the gas station I worked in, in Reseda, CA. Now she lives in the Napa Sonoma area and I think is/was a professional photographer.
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01-26-2012
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01-26-2012
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last year a very nice looking Summar was sold on Italian Ebay for ....50€ !
just one bidder ! too bad I missed it, in Europe they typically sell for around 100-150€, very perfect ones for 200€
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01-26-2012
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Like my SUMMAR

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01-27-2012
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There should be plenty of Summars out there, take your pick of what's available but beware, some are better than others. It is a lens I wouldn't buy without seeing at first hand
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05-10-2012
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I just received my 1937 Summar today attached to a Leica IIIb Screwmount camera. Allthough it shows quite some signs of use both outside as well as cleaning marks on the glasses, and some fogging inside, I have to say that I really like the charakter how the lens draws.
Pictures shot with my M8.
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05-11-2012
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I'm just wondering is there a reason to buy this lens rather then a summitar, for instance? Does the Summar have particular qualities that make it a good lens to acquire? I have an Elmar 3.5 at the moment.
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05-11-2012
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in my humble oppinion: no.
It just happend to be attached to a camera I got.
The Elmar 3,5/50 is a much better lens, image quality wise. Also the Summitar is much more advanced.
Yet, the Summar is an interesting pre-war uncoated lens. So if you want to experience the rendition of yesteryear, this is maybe as far as you can go within the Leica system.
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IŽd love to have one summar, but never had the chance to find a sample without cleanig marks or scartches in the front element....
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Untitled by AmSteinsgraben, on Flickr
Untitled by AmSteinsgraben, on Flickr
Sorry for the reposts. It's a fun lens that I don't use often enough. Mine has light scratches all over the front element.
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Quote:
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I'm just wondering is there a reason to buy this lens rather then a summitar, for instance? Does the Summar have particular qualities that make it a good lens to acquire? I have an Elmar 3.5 at the moment.
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I have all three. Keep the Elmar and get the Summitar. Lots of them are in bad shape too, but you probably have abetter chance of finding a good Summitar.
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It is a very interesting lens. I have a nickel summar attached to a IIIa from my grandfather. Wonderful look. Regards

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I like the way the photographs of HelenHill (the parking arcade) and also Dirojas (both photographs) show texture: granularity in the photograph helps us to feel the surface of the object. I suppose Dirojas's photographs are cropped (or at least the second one is); there is no way to get that close to an object with a RF camera. Does the Summar's "signature" help achieve these kind of shots, or is it largely a matter of film-developer choice?
Edit: looking back over the thread, I wish to add ChipMcD's shot of the girders to the above comment, and also to say that I really like all the shots posted. They seem to manage a proper blend of photographic qualities with subject matter.
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05-12-2012
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Yep travaler_101, my second one has a slight crop but not too much, it was a pretty large window! My lens is from 1933 uncoated and has a minimmum focus distance of 1 meter. The film in my pictures was Fortepan 400, which has beautiful tonality and very rough grain. I think this is where texture comes from. Regards
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For the feller that just had one come in on his camera - get it cleaned before you judge it. That haze kills the lesn for me a lot. After cleaning, much sharper and defined. I think it gets a bad rap because it's an 70+ year old lens that normally needs some TLC before use.
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Quote:
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For the feller that just had one come in on his camera - get it cleaned before you judge it. That haze kills the lesn for me a lot. After cleaning, much sharper and defined. I think it gets a bad rap because it's an 70+ year old lens that normally needs some TLC before use.
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I would agree.
I have 2 Summars and a good cleaning did a lot for image quality..
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