Photographers and Marksmen

[ampguy]

just an accurate high speed paper punch, by fast, like 3200 fps.

[smiling gecko]

ummm...is that something made by general electric?

breathe, relax and enjoy.
smiling gecko, aka kenneth
www.neverforgetbeslan.org

[mynikonf2]

Originally Posted by GeorgeH

Too much testosterone in this thread for me, have at it boys with all your toys.

P.S., Guns are icky.

...icky????? perhaps your thoughts about guns are what is ichy.
How can an inanimate, machined & polished object be ichy? Just puzzles me.

[gavinlg]

I shoot, and I support the right to bear arms. Don't necessarily require the right to carry here in Australia, but I think everyone should have some weapons safety training and everyone should be allowed the right to handle some firearms at a safe place like a range - and learn how to use them safely.

[rxmd]

Originally Posted by gavinlg

I shoot, and I support the right to bear arms.

And don't forget the right to arm bears!

[Mr_Flibble]

I used to do a lot of tournament based target shooting, with .22LR rifles and airguns.

Only thing in my gun locker that works at the moment is my M1 Rifle (Springfield Armory 1943), but it only shoots blanks I'm afraid.

[Nikon Bob]

Originally Posted by rxmd

And don't forget the right to arm bears!

Wife had that T shirt, got to love her.

Bob

[PhotoMat]

Originally Posted by Nikon Bob

Wife had that T shirt, got to love her.

Bob

Maybe she can add this to her wardrobe:

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/misc/kalashnikitty.jpg

(No, it's not my shirt. I'm not into AK's -- I'm more of an FN FAL guy.)

[gns]

I can hardly think of 2 things more different.
Shooting is about hitting the target, the bulls eye. It's about repetition, doing the same thing over and over exactly the same way in order to perfect and standardize every nuance. The goal is to arrive at the same result every time.
Taking pictures is not that at all.

Cheers,
Gary

[anthony_semone]

gns,

actually long range precision shooting deviates quite remarkably from your protocol, which is quite suitable for an indoor 25meter .22LR shooting. When out of doors, there is great need for variability in the shooter's approach depending upon such things as: ambient light, temperature, humidity, density altitude, the effects of wind, coriolis, ammunition, i.e., powder type and charge, primer, case, together with ballistic coefficient, bullet design and configuration. And I haven't even begun to talk about target distance, target inclination, declination; known or unknown distance; type of scope, type of scope reticle; yet alone the body posture of the shooter, etc., etc. and all this assumes the target is not shooting back

[Sparrow]

Naa, that's no fun ... we need rootin' tootin', shoot-em up, calibre comparing, grand theft auto second amendment street-shooting stuff ... cowboys don't need all that complex twaddle

[paulfish4570]

funny, stewart ...

[gns]

Originally Posted by anthony_semone

gns,

actually long range precision shooting deviates quite remarkably from your protocol, which is quite suitable for an indoor 25meter .22LR shooting. When out of doors, there is great need for variability in the shooter's approach depending upon such things as: ambient light, temperature, humidity, density altitude, the effects of wind, coriolis, ammunition, i.e., powder type and charge, primer, case, together with ballistic coefficient, bullet design and configuration. And I haven't even begun to talk about target distance, target inclination, declination; known or unknown distance; type of scope, type of scope reticle; yet alone the body posture of the shooter, etc., etc. and all this assumes the target is not shooting back

Ok, good points. All those variables would require adjustments. And a target shooting back could surely require some on-the-fly creativity.

Gary

[Sparrow]

... real men don't do itchy ... scratch first and ask questions later

[Nikon Bob]

Originally Posted by PhotoMat

Maybe she can add this to her wardrobe:

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/misc/kalashnikitty.jpg

(No, it's not my shirt. I'm not into AK's -- I'm more of an FN FAL guy.)

No, she is more an animal rights tree hugger type. I enjoy AKs but, like you, I am more of an FN FAL type. To be specific an FN C1A1 8L series produced by Canadian Arsenals Ltd. at Long Branch, Ontario. Two opposing views can exist quite well side by side and have so for going on 25 years.

Bob

[victoriapio]

I have one Leica lens in my safe (the rest of them are in my camera bag) but the safe is full of antique Winchesters, Spanish shotguns, hunting rifles, and a 22 Sauer Mosquito for fun. Oh, I have a Sauer 228 next to the bed for "varmints."

[rxmd]

Originally Posted by Nikon Bob

I enjoy AKs but, like you, I am more of an FN FAL type. To be specific an FN C1A1 8L series produced by Canadian Arsenals Ltd. at Long Branch, Ontario.

See, and at this point, where two guys start having an exchange about what automatic asssult rifle "type" they are, it begins to strike me as completely bizarre.

Maybe when people grow up in a culture that embraces violence, and they have a disposition to be a gearhead, they have a higher probability to end up being gun nerds and thinking of themselves as "marksmen".

[PhotoMat]

Originally Posted by rxmd

Maybe when people grow up in a culture that embraces violence, and they have a disposition to be a gearhead, they have a higher probability to end up being gun nerds and thinking of themselves as "marksmen".

And maybe when people make broad-based insults and assumptions about people whom they know nothing about, and they have an inclination to play armchair psychologist, they tend to have a higher probability of coming off as boorish and offensive.

[victoriapio]

Originally Posted by rxmd

See, and at this point, where two guys start having an exchange about what automatic asssult rifle "type" they are, it begins to strike me as completely bizarre.

Maybe when people grow up in a culture that embraces violence, and they have a disposition to be a gearhead, they have a higher probability to end up being gun nerds and thinking of themselves as "marksmen".

Countries where guns are allowed do not necessarily embrace violence. Ask Switzerland, Isreal and others where guns are not only allowed, but issued to trained adults.. As a Texan, I grew up in the US where guns are allowed for several reasons: to protect our country against invaders when our government cannot, to protect individuals against our government and, to put food on the table, and for self protection. I learned to shoot long before I learned to photograph. Live in peace and freedom.

[rxmd]

Originally Posted by PhotoMat

And maybe when people make broad-based insults and assumptions about people whom they know nothing about, and they have an inclination to play armchair psychologist, they tend to have a higher probability of coming off as boorish and offensive.

Well, "gearhead" is hardly an insult on a site like this; and gun nerd - well having a preference among various automatic rifles IMHO qualifies and is also hardly an insult. And for the culture that embraces violence, just turn on the TV. Care to elaborate which of the three you found offensive to you in particular?

[Sparrow]

Switzerland and Israel ... liberal pussies, they're still clinging on to the "well regulated militia" bit, geez ... no mixing beer and guns! what's that all about?

[mfunnell]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

no mixing beer and guns! what's that all about?

They like to keep their own feet intact? Why bother if you only drive...

As it happens, a long time ago I had a lot to do with smallarms - almost always for purposes of employment, firstly inside the military then not. Never, ever, mixed with alcohol. I applied a firearms version of the 12-hour-bottle-to-throttle rule used in aviation. I was in circumstances (especially on the civilian side) where that wasn't a legal requirement. But it was my requirement. OK, so I was a bore (don't even ask small-bore vs large-bore; just a bore). But I don't limp. And don't suffer from worse. I've met people who do, directly from not applying a similar rule. I'm thankful I've not met anyone who has injured another for that reason, though I'm aware all too many have.

...Mike

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by mfunnell

They like to keep their own feet intact? Why bother if you only drive...

As it happens, a long time ago I had a lot to do with smallarms - almost always for purposes of employment, firstly inside the military then not. Never, ever, mixed with alcohol. I applied a firearms version of the 12-hour-bottle-to-throttle rule used in aviation. I was in circumstances (especially on the civilian side) where that wasn't a legal requirement. But it was my requirement. OK, so I was a bore (don't even ask small-bore vs large-bore; just a bore). But I don't limp. And don't suffer from worse. I've met people who do, directly from not applying a similar rule. I'm thankful I've not met anyone who has injured another for that reason, though I'm aware all too many have.

...Mike

Ah, sorry, I forgot they abolished satire when Henry Kissinger got the Nobel peace prize ...

[anthony_semone]

Sorta like when Obama got his LOL

[mfunnell]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

Ah, sorry, I forgot they abolished satire when Henry Kissinger got the Nobel peace prize ...

Sorry if I came across a bit po-faced. That should have been two posts, but I let one idea run on after the other. Possibly due the combination of whiskey, and, well, I'm not quite sure what. The first sentence - if left by itself - might have been more the right mood.

...Mike