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Great Example of what Poor Ebay Headings get you
Old 03-21-2012   #1
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Great Example of what Poor Ebay Headings get you

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300677499237

hmm. do you think RANGEFINDER might have helped in the title to get more bids ?

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Old 03-21-2012   #2
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Ouch, what a key descriptor to omit. C'est la Guerre.

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I don't know, what are unsynched M cameras going for these days? He did get $2650 in one bid.
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$2650? Not bad.
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or this
Old 03-24-2012   #5
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or this

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or this
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or this

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$2650? Not bad.
except that title cost him at least a grand.
probably more.

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Old 03-24-2012   #8
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Dying.....

Still waiting for that day when I walk into a garage sale or thrift store and there's a Nikon SP sitting there with a little $5 price tag on it...
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that's hilarious.

that's probably an Orion adapter mounted on the 50/2
the adapter is worth at least $1500

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orion coupler
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orion coupler

it is the nikon version!
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This is one I won...here
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except that title cost him at least a grand.
probably more.

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This is one I won...here
I'd protest the shipping charges. Shipping is 130% of the sales price like this! That's grossly unbalanced to the selling price!
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I'm sure he doesn't know what a rangefinder is. This is the kind of person that makes it worthwhile to bid on eBay.

A good SEARCHER would have found it by carefully looking at ANYTHING called "Nippon Kogaku".
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Did anyone look at the items 'ol mopsy has sold? He's not so uninformed and crazy as we think. He's crazy like a fox. I have to admit though, that title is a really, really bad one.
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seller of the M
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Seller knows exactly what the camera was. he just decided to list it that way, ebay now gives you 80 characters for a title, sometimes it just doesn't work. the Nikon for $102, i was out bid at $100, then the seller ended the listing by selling to the
(fast talking high bidder). i offered the seller $450 for it, still sold it to the the guy for $102.50,, i just do not get it sometimes,
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Wow, you offered the seller 4 times the amount and he didn't take it. I would have, and to heck w/ eBay's picayune rules. But eBay has a way of punishing sellers that don't follow through on sales, so maybe he figured eBay's potential problems dwarf a $450 sale. Having dealt w/ their "people" before, I understand.
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Crazy like a fox... no, he did not overlook rangefinder name.
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Crazy like a fox... no, he did not overlook rangefinder name.

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Seller knows exactly what the camera was. he just decided to list it that way, ebay now gives you 80 characters for a title, sometimes it just doesn't work. the Nikon for $102, i was out bid at $100, then the seller ended the listing by selling to the
(fast talking high bidder). i offered the seller $450 for it, still sold it to the the guy for $102.50,, i just do not get it sometimes,
I agree with SP9107... there are times when the character limitation simply does not allow for all the information you would like to think adds to a description. Certain things are clear on this listing.

1) The seller used as much info in the title as he thought would find the right buyer.
2) He found the right buyer at HIS price... he set his price at the level he thought he could get, or that he needed to make the deal work for him.
3) Range finder did NOT fit the title limitations, and he felt it was more valuable to get other more important info into the title.
4) I agree with his logic as I do not place the fact that it is a range finder as any more important than the fact that it would have been more important to me to have noted that it was a limited production Nikon with only 1643 produced from 8-1949 to 12-1950 (the M model).
5) I suggest that the seller knew the nature of interest in this camera would be from people who would instantly count two windows on the front and have that AHAA! moment Wow it's a rangefinder, let me check my bank account and the balance on my home equity loan account.
6) The man got his money. His own price was the final bid. He knew that you would have to advertise more than just Nikon RangeFinder to get into the price ballpark. Very few Nikon rangefinders approach this price point without other special aspects, like the limited production, etc.

NO, I don't think he left any money on the table by not using the words rangefinder. When are we going to break through this illusion that there is something mythically worship inducing for this focus system?

Please??
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I agree with SP9107... there are times when the character limitation simply does not allow for all the information you would like to think adds to a description. Certain things are clear on this listing.

"Nikon rangefinder 50mm f/2 lens w/Orion adapter" would have been under the 80 character limit.
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Point taken but not convincing...
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Point taken but not convincing...

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"Nikon rangefinder 50mm f/2 lens w/Orion adapter" would have been under the 80 character limit.
"Nikon M one of 1643 produced in 1949 50mm f/2 lens w/Orion adaptor" would have fit under the character limit and been a more productive title. I just believe the whole "rangefinder" issue to be less important than other information implying more value.

However all this is secondary to the fact that the seller got the price he wanted. He stated that desired price when he paid more for his listing to use a high starting price.

It should also be noted that Mopsy has over 14 years of eBay activity and 1500 transactions. I doubt if few on this forum could show him a better way to title a listing, considering what I saw by wandering through his feedback. I'd be grinning widely at the suggestions posted in this thread.
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Old 03-25-2012   #21
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I think the idea behind the original post is that the majority of people looking for Nikon RF gear on EBay start their search by typing "nikon rangefinder" and then desregarding all those hunting/outdoor apparatuses that also pop up.
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"Nikon M one of 1643 produced in 1949 50mm f/2 lens w/Orion adaptor" would have fit under the character limit and been a more productive title. I just believe the whole "rangefinder" issue to be less important than other information implying more value.

However all this is secondary to the fact that the seller got the price he wanted. He stated that desired price when he paid more for his listing to use a high starting price.

It should also be noted that Mopsy has over 14 years of eBay activity and 1500 transactions. I doubt if few on this forum could show him a better way to title a listing, considering what I saw by wandering through his feedback. I'd be grinning widely at the suggestions posted in this thread.
it really funny to read your insisting how right you are
about an ebay heading that undoubtedly cost the seller money
grinning? hardly
LOL

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I have also had luck with hand tools by mis-spelling words, instead of Lie-Nielsen, I would look under Lie-Neilsen or other variations
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The price for the Orion ... well that was a good find for the lucky guy who bought it.

I had a good deal myself for Christmas on a "Hasselblad 100f" : 286$ with shipping from the US, I saw junked 'Blads selling for more than that. Slow speed sticking a bit, back is stuck, chrome not perfect but with a clean lens and shutter looks good too! Costly typo for the seller, he could have sold it for 100-200$ more.
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This reminds me of an auction I once spotted that labeled a Leica M as an SLR. Ouch.
At least the rest of the description seemed halfway correct.
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the problem that I'm seeing with a number of auctions is the ebay catalog that they are requiring for certain categories, if you list in film cameras or lenses, not vintage, you have to link it to their catalog. that someone who know absolutely nothing about the camera or lens you are listing, and you have to use it. like listing a Kodak retina iiic. eBay makes you list it as a "point and shoot camera" or a 2.8cm nikkor rangefinder lens, they want you to list it as a 28mm SLR lens. (if you want to put it in the lens category), or you have to move it to the Vintage lens category.

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another quick buy it now!
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another quick buy it now!

guy listed this for $8, no buy it now, got a quick offer sold $100,
and took it, oooooooppppppppssssssss!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...vip=true&rt=nc
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You'd be surprised how many Olymus cameras I find in the classifieds.
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Is it more than "Lecia" cameras?

In the past I found excellent bargains, thanks to seller's lack of attention to spelling detail.
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"It should also be noted that Mopsy has over 14 years of eBay activity and 1500 transactions. I doubt if few on this forum could show him a better way to title a listing, considering what I saw by wandering through his feedback. I'd be grinning widely at the suggestions posted in this thread.

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Who was the lucky winner of this auction? I was excluded from bidding being non US.

1957 Nikkon Camera

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261102143198?


Nikon S2 with what looks like 5cm/1.4, 35cm/3.5?, 10.5cm/2.5, hoods, cases, Nikon Manual, finder, flash, offset shoe.
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The seller also forgot to mention the 5cm/1.4 that was on the camera, his description is of a two-lens kit instead of a three-lens kit. Anyone knowledgeable enough will have spotted the third lens for what it is, but still.


The biggest mistake was to misspell NIKON and type in NIKKON instead.


Also, excluding foreign non-US bids reduced his chances immensely to make some money from the sale.


Congrats to James for spotting this auction.
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Yikes, that was painful. Looks like the seller is new, too. One learns from one's mistakes.
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Who was the lucky winner of this auction? I was excluded from bidding being non US.

1957 Nikkon Camera

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261102143198?


Nikon S2 with what looks like 5cm/1.4, 35cm/3.5?, 10.5cm/2.5, hoods, cases, Nikon Manual, finder, flash, offset shoe.



It included the dual shoe flash bracket , which is worth quite a bit .
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It included the dual shoe flash bracket , which is worth quite a bit .
How much would the shoe flash bracket usually go for ?
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hmm. do you think RANGEFINDER might have helped in the title to get more bids ?
No, maybe not. I never search for "rangefinder"... I search under model and type. Then again, I'm not fishing for deals on just any camera.

How much of a deal did the buyer get?
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guy listed this for $8, no buy it now, got a quick offer sold $100,
and took it, oooooooppppppppssssssss!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...vip=true&rt=nc
i an imagine the seller thinking "wtf, i got hundred bucks for a piece of bent sheet metal!" and picks his payment up happily.
Seller happy, buyer happy, ebay happy, whats the prob?

I think anybody (sorrt Stephen) making fun of such sales/sellers is just simply having a bitter feeling that it wasn't him who had the lucky chance.
Happens to me too

ps: just few weeks ago i went to a flea market with a friend of mine who has a pentax slr system. He stumbled upon a tamron sp 90/2.8 macro which is very highly regarded in the slr macro world...
The lens looked totally new and was under a pile of overused, sticky oly om glass.
He was strongly hesitating about it - i convinced him to get it and if he doesnt like it i take it off his hands.
Turned out it costs him only 10 bucks... ) well, alas he likes it.
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Here's something ending soon with 3 lenses and some accessories:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-nippon...item3ccafab8ee
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Here's something ending soon with 3 lenses and some accessories:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-nippon...item3ccafab8ee
Nice one, only the description reads "s2" instead of "S".
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In this vein, I chanced on a listing for "Lowe Pro Bag with camera and lenses." Listing photo showed the bag.



The "camera" was a Contax RTS and the lenses were a Zeiss 50 f/1.7 (!) and a Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 Macro lens (rare, still valuable, and something I was looking for). Lenses in excellent shape!
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