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View Poll Results: Are you going OM-D?
O yeah, here's my pre-order confirmation! 36 10.43%
You bet! just have to de-GAS a few gears to fund it 23 6.67%
Positively, but only when it hits street price level 65 18.84%
I don't know, I like it, but won't my APS-C buddies shun me? 50 14.49%
Heck no! I won't be caught dead with a dinky m4/3rd camera 110 31.88%
OMD? Are they coming out with a new album? 61 17.68%
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Old 02-25-2012   #241
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No adapter is included.
Have they ever heard of the Trade Descriptions Act?
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It's their trademark, they can do whatever they want with it.

Why on earth do you care, when you couldn't even be arsed to find out what kind of camera it was? For those of us who like the m4/3ds system, this looks like a fantastic camera, entirely in line with Oly's original intent for the OM SLR system: high-quality, compact, good optics, for the advanced amateur or professional who likes a sturdy, lightweight kit. There are plenty of OM adapters available for m4/3 if you want them, but that isn't the point of this camera.
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It's officially called the E-M5. So yes, one can view it as micro 4/3 E-System camera. Does that help those any more people who feel the need to post how it doesn't measure up to the original OM system? 'Cause we haven't heard it enough, y'know...
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Mabelsound I didn't actually think they were violating the Trade Descriptions Act because as you said it's their trade mark, I was just being facetious. But I wasn't being obtuse when I asumed it would come with an adapter. Canon wouldn't come out with an EOS camera that didn't take EOS lenses.

My original comment was meant to be taken with a pinch of salt also.
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How much do you think will be the market price on this and when itís gonna be available in Adelaide?
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How much do you think will be the market price on this and when itís gonna be available in Adelaide?
retail price is $1,499 (incl. GST) in Australia and Camera Pro (based in Brisbane but ships nationally) already has it available for preorder.

don't know the exact date it will be available in Australia.
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But I wasn't being obtuse when I asumed it would come with an adapter. Canon wouldn't come out with an EOS camera that didn't take EOS lenses.
it's an OM-D, not an OM. it has never been marketed as an OM, so why would it support OM lenses natively? same goes for including an adapter. it's not like the majority of people even own OM lenses to make use of an included adapter anyway.
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It's officially called the E-M5. So yes, one can view it as micro 4/3 E-System camera. Does that help those any more people who feel the need to post how it doesn't measure up to the original OM system? 'Cause we haven't heard it enough, y'know...
Seriously.
The Original OM series will always be the classic that we love.
The OM-D is the successor.

Technically speaking, it's as competent and even more versatile than its predecessor.

Whether or not it'll be as successful sales-wise, nobody knows at this point. But I have a feeling that it will do just fine on its own.

One of my friend is ready to switch to OM-D from Canon.
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it's an OM-D, not an OM.
If I had to guess what a Digital OM mount camera would be called OM-D would probably be my first guess followed by OM-D1.
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it has never been marketed as an OM
Apart from it the name, and the OM like manual.

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Seriously.
The Original OM series will always be the classic that we love.
The OM-D is the successor.
Really because to me it looks to be a M4/3 camera that looks vaguely like an OM camera. And there the connections stop

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Technically speaking, it's as competent and even more versatile than its predecessor.
Who's saying it's not.
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I'm clearly not understanding your entire train of comments.

I've been an OM devotee since 1974 (apparently before you were born) and have pre-ordered the E-M5. I have been using the E-510 with all my original OM glass, with the benefit of in-body IS with OM glass settings (to great effect, I might add), as well as some great Oly 43 glass. With the E-M5, the digital side is returning to a size that matches the OM series (actually smaller!). Using m43 lenses, I will gain AF, yet I can still use my OM glass, again with in-body IS. I can also use my 43 lenses.

Oh, and I still shoot with my OM-1(3), OM-2n(2), OM-2SP(2) and OM-4T(2).
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Well, I did it. Canon gear is up for sale, and I've pre-ordered the OM-D E-M5, and of course the grip, which is the coolest part. Once the Canon stuff sells I'll buy a few lenses and pay some bills.

*Deep breath*
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Well, I did it. Canon gear is up for sale, and I've pre-ordered the OM-D E-M5, and of course the grip, which is the coolest part. Once the Canon stuff sells I'll buy a few lenses and pay some bills.

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I have played with the OM-D yesterday and I would recommend to everyone who is interested in the camera to try handling it, both with the grip and without..
I shall refrain from further comments beside that I find the finder better then at the NEX 7:-)
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I have played with the OM-D yesterday and I would recommend to everyone who is interested in the camera to try handling it, both with the grip and without..
I shall refrain from further comments beside that I find the finder better then at the NEX 7:-)
Better than NEX 7, huh?
Nice.

Do you know if the bundled tiny flash is bounce-friendly? (can be pointed to different angle, not just head on?)
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Better than NEX 7, huh?
Nice.

Do you know if the bundled tiny flash is bounce-friendly? (can be pointed to different angle, not just head on?)
I remember hearing on one of the million YouTube videos released in the past month that yes, the flash does tilt up. Not right or left, though.
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I remember hearing on one of the million YouTube videos released in the past month that yes, the flash does tilt up. Not right or left, though.
I thought that the included flash only tilted up to a point where the flash beam would be perpendicular with the subject and the normally folded up state is just to make the flash more carry-friendly. Who knows I could be wrong, still haven't had my hands on it yet.
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Anyone know of anywhere that will have OM-Ds to handle in the Toronto area?
There have been at least 3 E-M3 previews in Eastern Europe where voblunda lives, but only one Canadian on the West coast has seen it, when an Olympus rep brought the only one in Canada to his dealer recently. I don't know when we'll see one in Toronto. Henry's made a YouTube video of their Olympus rep with one early this month, but James O said he didn't get to see the camera. I don't think it was ever in the store.

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Sorry, but I was not interested in the flash.
They have this week on show one silver body with 12mm and black body with the kit lens. Both with grip.

Again, I would strongly recommend to anyone who is interested in the camera to try handling it in person both with grip and without.

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Nice.

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Obviously, you didn't have and A in geography as the Prague is the very heart of Europe:-)


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There have been at least 3 E-M3 previews in Eastern Europe where voblunda lives, but only one Canadian on the West coast has seen it, when an Olympus rep brought the only one in Canada to his dealer recently. I don't know when we'll see one in Toronto. Henry's made a YouTube video of their Olympus rep with one early this month, but James O said he didn't get to see the camera. I don't think it was ever in the store.

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Obviously, you didn't have and A in geography as the Prague is the very heart of Europe:-)
In "the West," we remember the "Iron Curtain" and we still think everything behind it (from our point of view) is "East." However, Vienna is "West" to us. These are consequences of "Cold War" geography.
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Via the 43rumors site:

http://www.pekkapotka.com/journal/20...e-quality.html

I normally don't pay much attention to test chart shots, but when the difference is as striking as this... it's hard not to look.

I kept seeing comparisons that indicates significantly better sensor performance. If this trend continues, soon those people who dismissed E-M5 as a "non-serious" camera would have to 'reconsider'
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i agree will. ive gone from 'vaguely' interested on a purely intellectual level to i think this might be a groundbreaking cam that i must have. of course its all dependent on useability in low light at 16-3200. but if they nail that as it seems they might have, consider:
weatherproof cam plus lens with 24-100mm capability,
best IBIS ever put into a camera,
2-3 stop improvement in DR,
live bulb feature that takes all the guesswork out of long exposure photography,
numerous fully customizeable dials and buttons,
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honestly i would not be able to pass this up!
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Via the 43rumors site:

http://www.pekkapotka.com/journal/20...e-quality.html

I normally don't pay much attention to test chart shots, but when the difference is as striking as this... it's hard not to look.

I kept seeing comparisons that indicates significantly better sensor performance. If this trend continues, soon those people who dismissed E-M5 as a "non-serious" camera would have to 'reconsider'
I do think I am going to do it. I want the Panasonic 25/1.4 though and apparently that is out of stock for the appropriate price everywhere. One camera, one lens. Or, it may be for me one camera and a lens cap. I don't think I want any other lens to go with this little guy. Trying to simplify my life.
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@ Will: Oh wow. Definite upgrade.
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It went well! Just finished selling the last bits and bought myself an Olympus 12mm f/2, a 45mm f/1.8 and a PanaLeica 25mm f/1.4
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live bulb feature that takes all the guesswork out of long exposure photography,
Really? imagine if we can tweak the IR filter strength, that feature above will make IR photography a piece of cake.
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yeah, it'll change long exposure photography of all kinds, truly groundbreaking. as i understand it, the feature allows you to view the exposure progression on the lcd in real time so that you can retrip the shutter exactly when the picture is where you want it!
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It went well! Just finished selling the last bits and bought myself an Olympus 12mm f/2, a 45mm f/1.8 and a PanaLeica 25mm f/1.4
That's the kit that makes me think about going m4/3.
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feature allows you to view the exposure progression on the lcd in real time so that you can retrip the shutter exactly when the picture is where you want it!
That's actually pretty cool... and a piece of automation that I would mind.
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i agree will. ive gone from 'vaguely' interested on a purely intellectual level to i think this might be a groundbreaking cam that i must have. of course its all dependent on useability in low light at 16-3200. but if they nail that as it seems they might have, consider:
weatherproof cam plus lens with 24-100mm capability,
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2-3 stop improvement in DR,
live bulb feature that takes all the guesswork out of long exposure photography,
numerous fully customizeable dials and buttons,
critical ability to separate AF control from exposure control,
separate critical focus magnification button.

honestly i would not be able to pass this up!
I looked at this list of features again and I was reminded again of why I like Olympus. They are the antithesis of the "me-too" mentality. They innovate, not follow.

If Leica or Nikon were to come up with a camera with this list of innovations, that thing would be lauded up to the clouds

I also notice that some people *love* to hate Olympus. And I don't simply mean in a anti-fanboyism, "my brand is better" kind, but the intense hatred or dismissal on whatever they come up with. For an anecdotal "proof", see the poll attached to this thread.

I often think about this and I can't come up with a reason why this is the case.
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yeah, it'll change long exposure photography of all kinds, truly groundbreaking. as i understand it, the feature allows you to view the exposure progression on the lcd in real time so that you can retrip the shutter exactly when the picture is where you want it!
The closest to this in the film world is Lith printing, where instead of watching a clock while the print is in the developer tray (after exposing it on the enlarger), you watch the print and see the black emerges in real time and you need to snatch the print from the developer tray and put it in fixer otherwise the whole print will go dark in a matter of half-seconds.
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It went well! Just finished selling the last bits and bought myself an Olympus 12mm f/2, a 45mm f/1.8 and a PanaLeica 25mm f/1.4
congrats! all great lenses, i'm sure.

i've actually just done the opposite of what you did. i'm passing on my E-P2 and lenses on to my partner and have pre-ordered a 5D Mark III. all the best to the both of us!

i still look forward to seeing photos from the E-M5 and i look forward to owning an E-M6 or E-M7 in the future.
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congrats! all great lenses, i'm sure.

i've actually just done the opposite of what you did. i'm passing on my E-P2 and lenses on to my partner and have pre-ordered a 5D Mark III. all the best to the both of us!

i still look forward to seeing photos from the E-M5 and i look forward to owning an E-M6 or E-M7 in the future.
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It went well! Just finished selling the last bits and bought myself an Olympus 12mm f/2, a 45mm f/1.8 and a PanaLeica 25mm f/1.4
I suspect I will also end up with that set of lenses : got the 12 and 25 already for my E-P1 but still undecided between the 45/1.8 or PL macro.

But I'm planning to use the E-M5 very much in conjunction with a M6 and a M9.
The are complimentary cameras and I would not be all that happy with one alone.

The Leica Ms are more craftsmans's tools : a joy to use with 28-90 lenses; can achieve good focus differentiation and with film optical printing is still a zen like experience.

The E-M5 adds in a very light compact prime set with IBIS assisted wide angles for indoors; high ISO for travel plus casual/environmental portraits; macro and the occasional video.

Now that m43 has a full suite of native AF lenses, the lack of EVF resolution matters less, if the AF can be trusted to get it right. I did not enjoy manually focusing legacy lenses on crop bodies through the LCD or EVF even with contrast peaking.
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I looked at this list of features again and I was reminded again of why I like Olympus. They are the antithesis of the "me-too" mentality. They innovate, not follow.

If Leica or Nikon were to come up with a camera with this list of innovations, that thing would be lauded up to the clouds

I also notice that some people *love* to hate Olympus. And I don't simply mean in a anti-fanboyism, "my brand is better" kind, but the intense hatred or dismissal on whatever they come up with. For an anecdotal "proof", see the poll attached to this thread.

I often think about this and I can't come up with a reason why this is the case.
It's really pretty clear. It's much like the intense hatred that emanate from finding out that someone swooped in and scooped up your fantasy girl while you were looking the other way. You didn't know she was available and you lost the race.

Most OM haters are really bitter losers where passion or love is concerned.

Not so hard to figure out, and makes you relish your win that much more. I love to see that bitter hatred on the faces of Non OM users.
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http://www.gabriellemotola.com/photo...em-5-in-brief/
Guy seems very excited about the dynamic range out of camera. Indeed it does look MUCH better than the previous pen sensor. I wonder who makes this 16mp unit?
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I hear it is re-engineered alien technology.
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