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View Poll Results: How many good frames do you need from a 36 frame roll to be happy?
1 125 23.58%
2 65 12.26%
3 81 15.28%
4 62 11.70%
5 43 8.11%
6+ 154 29.06%
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Old 04-29-2010   #81
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If I can get ONE frame that captured, at the same time, genuine moment and originality (in composition)...then I'll be so happy.
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Old 04-29-2010   #82
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"Good" for me at this stage is if it's in focus and not totally under exposed - a much lower standard than most of you here.
Yet that's a good basis, Patti! We can add to that a lack of camera shake, processing errors, etc too. While we work on technical improvement (errr, almost said "perfection"), hopefully there will be some aesthetic successes along the way. Some will be surprises, maybe even accidental success from "mistakes" gone good.

The whole question of the thread can be ambiguous... What is meant by "happy with"? How happy? How good must a "keeper" be? It's all very variable and individual. Some are pickier, more self-critical. "Happy with" is still a good goal though!
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If half or less roll are not keepers I'm angry. Got high expectations of myself.


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Old 05-16-2010   #84
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What I really want to see when I develop a roll of film these days is thirty six correct exposures! At least I know that when I get the composition correct I won't have it ruined by a poor exposure that will torment me in post processing!
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It’s pretty important to keep digital files or negatives around for awhile and take another look a couple of weeks or a month later. I came back from a landscape shooting trip one time and looked through two or three rolls and was very disappointed. I didn’t think I had gotten anything on those rolls. I put them aside and looked at them a month later and found three on one roll that somehow had become very nice photographs over that month. Sometimes first time I look at them I have too many expectations. A month later I can look at with fresh eyes and can judge them much better.
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Every roll of film that I used to take photos of my family gives me 36 keepers. Once I hit the streets, I would be happy to get just 1 or 2 keepers per roll.
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Old 06-23-2010   #87
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I can be perfectly happy with a single good shot on a roll of film..
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Old 06-23-2010   #88
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When I was shooting a Leicsflex SL and using 36 exp film I might get 4 or 5 keepers on a roll. That camera was magical. Now that I'm shooting 6x6 MF w/ 120 film I feel good if I get 1 keeper out of 2 or 3 rolls, so the success rate has gone down.

barnwolf made a very valid point about checking your shots after some time has passed. It's nearly always surprising how differently you see them.

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Old 08-06-2010   #89
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sigh... when i get that first one that makes me happy, i'll quit photography, promise

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Old 08-06-2010   #90
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Depending on how challenging conditions are, I'm going for 75%+ correctly exposed and in focus. Less than that and I'm sloppy. More, and I'm hesitating on the shutter release.

On an average day on the street I might get 3 to 6 passably good shots on a roll of 36. On a bad day I might get less than a shot per roll. I've had a couple of days in my life where I had 20 or 25 per roll.

I dream about those days.
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Old 08-21-2010   #91
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Usually all my shots are well exposed, well focused, unless I am experimenting. Technically, most of my photos are "correct". However, on most rolls, only one photo would be worth to be printed. Often, none of them is good enough, to my eyes, to be printed and hanged on a wall.

Sometimes I get more lucky : I happen to be at the right place at the right time, and I can get up to 4, 5 good photos in a row.

That said, I am very careful in my shooting, and I burn less than a roll per month, unless I am travelling.
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If you shoot a 36 frame roll how many frames do you have to get from that roll to be happy?

If I get one that is perfect I´m happy but I wanna get at least 5 good frame from a roll.

When I shoot 6X6 I wanna get at least 3.
3 from a roll of 6x6! I'd be happy with one every third roll.

Be your own best critic is my attitude. I don't care whether I shoot ten rolls of 36 or fill a 16gb card every week, I'm not going to judge my images like an accountant or CEO who wants to make the company books look healthier. So if I get ten from one roll of 36 and none from the next four rolls thats OK, the Karma wasn't there, the mood wasn't right, it doesn't matter, thats how it works. Nothing is really wasted anyway because I've been experimenting and working at things and trying stuff. And if I'm ever down at the mouth about a wasted day out I look at copies of contact sheets from the great photographers. And you only need to see the experiments either side of 'the' photograph to realise there must be many more contact sheets of images that are all failed experiments.

The problem with expecting a hit rate is that images that are not really 'perfect' are forced to become 'perfect' just to balance the books. But thats not to say you shouldn't show people the imperfect images, thats where ideas can coalesce and mature. Just don't expect five pictures from every roll of 36 you shoot to be shown in your lifetime retrospective show at the Guggenheim, they won't really be that perfect.

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Old 09-08-2010   #93
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Depends on circumstance, sometimes I go out shooting looking to take something to put on the wall, in that case I'll be happy if I just get that one shot.

If I'm out at a bar or something and just happen to have a camera with me, I don't mind if it's all just snapshots, because that's all I wanted.

On holidays etc. when I'm unlikely to be able to repeat the photo shoot soon, then I'll want a pretty high keep rate.
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Old 09-08-2010   #94
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Old 09-08-2010   #95
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I do expect at least 70% technically right, just that, the content may not be that I like.

Then maybe 5 or 6 out of 36 exp with 2 or 3 being 3/5 stars (I like), occasionally 1 or 2 with 4 stars, hardly get one frame with 5 stars. I do scan all of them and keeping all for review and learning. Sometimes, I find a few being 'interesting' for testing of different representation after editing.

I personally don't believe technically correct pictures are good pictures, but it certainly requires good grasp of skills to capture/present what I want to make. A photo IMHO should always be an impression at heart.
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Old 09-13-2010   #96
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I usually don't have any expectations. But when I take my M6 and Summicrons to India, I have come to expect at least 15 amazing frames per roll. And I'm quite picky about image quality. What a wonderful tool.
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Number of good shots on a roll of film

I was reading something written by Ansel Adams from a book titled, Photographers on Photography Edited by Nathan Lyons published in 1966. Ansel said that if he gets ten good photographs a year that he is satisfied with that. So I guess my hopes for at least 1 good shot per roll is actually pretty high expectations. Sometimes I get maybe 3 on a roll and then again I get rolls that have nothing that I want to keep. - jim

The book has several pages written by a lot of the old great photographers like, Berenice Abbott, Wynn Bullock, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Robert Frank, Dorthea Lang, W. Eugene Smith, Steichen, Stieglitz, Strand, Weston, and Minor White and others.
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Old 09-18-2010   #98
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I usually don't have any expectations. But when I take my M6 and Summicrons to India, I have come to expect at least 15 amazing frames per roll. And I'm quite picky about image quality. What a wonderful tool.
It wont be difficult, some places you can just point and click and its instanly going to have something interesting.
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Old 11-08-2010   #99
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somewhere in between 20 and zero (on a 36 exp roll). hardly ever more than twenty. but even in the rare event of 20 satisfying shots (happens more in 'reportage' rather than 'street'), I'd still edit them down to a selection 4-8 frames, usually.
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Old 11-09-2010   #100
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I voted 1 per roll - but that's way too high. Shots I'm really satisfied with (not talking of exposure and focus) are probably less than 1 in every 5 rolls, or something like that... (well, we have to set the bar high). Shots I can show to friends, maybe 2-3 per roll. Obviously much depends on what kind of photography I do - with street photo having the lowest success rate.
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Old 11-11-2010   #101
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Though I shoot very little 35, my satisfaction level standard is the same 100% safisfactory shoots. However, if I get 1-2 excellent and good enough to printg and hang and the balance are decent to very good, then I am a happy camper. Of course this does not count when shooting new film, a new camera or testing something else. Then if by the end of the roll if I've dialed it in, I'm satisfied.
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Old 11-13-2010   #102
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I shoot a roll per month so i suppose i will be very have if in one year i have 12 good pictures taken....
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Old 01-09-2011   #103
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I guess it depends on one's definition of "good frames". If "good" means correctly exposed and in focus, then I strive for 100% and maybe one or two frames should be cut from the strip and tossed.

But that's not how I define "good". For me, "good" is a photo that just works visually, irrespective of the technical aspects. If I get one "good" photo from a roll of film, then I consider that success. Anything above that is a bonus.
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I'm more in the rolls per shot category.
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Old 01-16-2011   #105
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I am surprised to see that over 50% of responders have 3 or LESS shots per roll that they think are good.
This makes me think of guys complaining about digital post processing. If you get one good shot per day / week then your digital post production should be minimal since you wouldn't do the non-keepers.
It also gets me thinking of archiving... do they throw out the 'bad' ones or have an archive of over 90% bad shots?
And it gets me thinking of the people who say digital users over shoot. If you have 1 or 2 keepers, aren't you doing the same.
I think this poll tell us that we have to think more of composition and exposure.

What do you think? What does the poll tell you?

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I don't use all 36, maybe 30x, but I will photograph 2-5 frames of the same thing in a few different angles and or f/stops, and see which one works best. (I generally know ahead of time, But I like options later when I re-visit the photographs later, I might see a different variant as the better photograph).

So I voted 6+, Because that would indicate that a few photographs in a small series where good to go, instead of 1 photo, in that series.

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Let me be clear, these 6+ are good photographs, I may not have any "outstanding" photographs in that 6+, I may have 1, maybe.
So, as far as keepers, 6+, as far as "outstanding", 1 maybe
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I am surprised to see that over 50% of responders have 3 or LESS shots per roll that they think are good.
This makes me think of guys complaining about digital post processing. If you get one good shot per day / week then your digital post production should be minimal since you wouldn't do the non-keepers.
It also gets me thinking of archiving... do they throw out the 'bad' ones or have an archive of over 90% bad shots?
And it gets me thinking of the people who say digital users over shoot. If you have 1 or 2 keepers, aren't you doing the same.
I think this poll tell us that we have to think more of composition and exposure.

What do you think? What does the poll tell you?

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Looking back in my archive, so far it's been about one frame per ten rolls that I've been really happy with.
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At the time I shoot- lots. By the time I dev and scan, a maximum of 1!
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If good means "winner", those few photos I (would) print and put it on a wall, show it to other... I would be around 0.1 per roll.
Looking at the discussion here I suppose the OP equals "good" to "normal personal keeper". Than an average of 3 out of 36 images is my personal feeling.
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Too many variables. What defines "happy with"? There are lots of different criterea...

Good enough to upload to flickr.
Good enough to E-mail to your mother.
Good enough to print.
Good enough to hang on your wall.
Good enough that a friend will hang it on his wall if you give him/her a framed copy.
Good enough that someone would buy at an art fair.
Good enough that a gallery would represent.
Good enough that a museum would buy.

or maybe...

Good enough that your client will pay your invoice.
Good enough that your client will use it more than once.
Good enough that your client will use it more than once, and pay for the additional use.
Good enough that your client will hire you again. (maybe these last two are the same!)
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"happy with" to me means good enough to show to my friends and good enough to have an enlargement for the wall done.
I figure one per roll whether 35mm or 6x6 more is nice but one image that exceeds my expectations is a great feeling.
With digital my success rate is higher ... but only when i shoot B&W
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two on a very good day ...
but I like them all, because photos are like a journal for me
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...to slap on flickr, a couple per roll...to print and put on a wall...one or two a year, maybe...
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...to slap on flickr, a couple per roll...to print and put on a wall...one or two a year, maybe...
Ditto. Flickr for me is more of an edited contact sheet.
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One day I would like to shoot a photo set on a slide roll.
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I never had my "perfect" shot that I would blow up the size of my wall if I could, but normally I have 3 or 4 pictures that I like enough to post on Flickr and print 5x7... maybe 1 for a 8x10 blow up...
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I would be happy with one per roll.

I am beginning to throw away the negs that didn't cut it due to space limitations and ease of cataloging. However people I know prefer to have the entire roll intact in a Printfile even though they are rejects. With mounted slides I just toss the rejects but seems people don't do that with negs.
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somewhere in between 20 and zero (on a 36 exp roll). hardly ever more than twenty. but even in the rare event of 20 satisfying shots (happens more in 'reportage' rather than 'street'), I'd still edit them down to a selection 4-8 frames, usually.
I don't think I ever had a roll full of craps but I largely agree with your range. For me it's roughly this:

Happy: 3-20
Proud: 1-6
Lifetime keeper + large print: 1 every 2-3 rolls
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