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Old 09-19-2010   #81
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I'd like to confirm that this camera's lens is indeed fixed -- meaning, it can't be changed for other lenses?
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That is correct.
No use to me then, though it's a pretty camera.
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So basically what we have here is a digital equivalent of a Minolta 7s? Or am I missing the boat here?
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So basically what we have here is a digital equivalent of a Minolta 7s? Or am I missing the boat here?
Well, yeah, with ISO 6400, better metering, a better lens, and the ability to focus to 10 cm without parallax error. None of this 0.7 m garbage.
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I'd like to confirm that this camera's lens is indeed fixed -- meaning, it can't be changed for other lenses?
Yes, it is a fixed lens.

The news of this new Fuji is spreading like wildfire and almost all of the comments are positive. Twitter is going crazy with news of this camera and the Fujifilm website for the camera is offline due to the interest behind it. Incredible.
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I just wonder what it would have taken for them to have gone a bit further and developed interchangeable lens capabilities? Now that I would have gotten excited about!
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That's the best looking digital I've ever seen.

Please be affordable

Please be affordable

Please be affordable
Damn that's one sexy as hell digital, and seems well-spec'd... And I agree with above. If this is affordable and performs 1/2 as good as it looks, this could be a category killer.
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I applaud the traditional placement of controls and that hybrid viewfinder looks very interesting. If more dRF cameras from other makers are not likely, perhaps something like this may be a way to have a bright-line finder with solid-state electronic focus confirmation.
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Vince - see it as a digital Hexar AF or contax G. It's a back to basics high end fixed lens digital camera. All you need is 35mm anyway!! Besides, I'll bet they expand this range if it's popular.
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very nice indeed, time to retire my Olympus Epic and Epic Zoom, watch classified for small fixed lens compacts like crazy-
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- Gotta tellya... Fuji doesn't get the respect they deserve. I voted for them as "the best camera company" in that poll someone put up. I'm down to one film rangefinder - a Fujica Compact Deluxe. Never heard of it? It's (to me, anyway) the best of the FLRFs I've owned - innovative, perfect, great optics... AND nobody heard of it. They came out with a friggin medium format folder! Gotta love that. And great automated medium format "point-n-shooters"... Fujinon glass doesn't get the respect they deserve either. And, they're a major producer of film both color and black and white. I absolutely love the Finepix F20, and this line of cameras still (arguably) is the best low-light performer among the compacts due to an innovative CCD design. Now this absolutely gorgeous specimen. I don't get why they're only something like 2% in that poll. I might buy this damned thing myself if it's reasonably priced, though I hardly need it.
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Vince - see it as a digital Hexar AF or contax G. It's a back to basics high end fixed lens digital camera. All you need is 35mm anyway!! Besides, I'll bet they expand this range if it's popular.

If they're trying to market this at professionals among others (as their brochure states), then please give us the feature of interchangeable lenses. Fuji is smart enough and they make outstanding products - they should know how to do this!

I (personally) don't need another camera like this. Even if they had come up with a dedicated 35-50-90 lineup of lenses, I'd be thrilled. But I'll hang onto my money until then, and just be happy with my E-P2.
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I voted for them as "the best camera company" in that poll someone put up.
Me, too.

I'll be darned. A Nick Trop post with which I almost entirely agree. This is a day of miracles and wonder.
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Fuji is known to launch and then a long wait for the production model to come out. I wish I can have this before Christmas.
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Even if they had come up with a dedicated 35-50-90 lineup of lenses, I'd be thrilled. But I'll hang onto my money until then, and just be happy with my E-P2.
I don't think a 90 would be a lot of fun with a 0.5X finder. But I'd love to see a 24 or 21 equivalent.
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I just wonder what it would have taken for them to have gone a bit further and developed interchangeable lens capabilities? Now that I would have gotten excited about!
After posting half a dozen times, in this thread and others, that you want interchangeable lenses, I think that we get it.

Move on please. The NEX-7, Samsung and Leica will get to you in the near future.

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a 90mm may not be fun on a .5 mag finder, BUT if they released a future interchaneable lens version with a zooming finder (ALA XPan) that would be perfect! given the XPan, surely Fuji would have the know-how.

hopefully this opens up more similar models from other manufacturers, competition is always a good thing!

this looks great! if i decide to 'try' digital again in a few years I hope development of similar cameras continues. excellent.
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Looks great to me! Fixed non-zoom lens is fine for me. That's part of the challenge/fun of Canonets, GSNs, 7s's and the like. The 'fastness' of the autofocus is not a big deal either. Better if you can turn the AF off, and best if it manual focuses with a ring on the lens!
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Looks cool. Until I see how the sexy specs translate to actual IQ, ergonomics, and the rest, just a pretty picture. I love my X1, and the images are outstanding. Perhaps it will come down to a duel of the lenses. One thing for sure, this baby will be the killer if comes in under $800.

Does anyone think a few more like this are going to be announced shortly by other manufacturers?
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Very very interesting. The hybrid finder is exactly what I've been looking for, should be very cool! I look forward to reading more.

Now if this WAS a Leica some tool would be whining about the 90% viewfinder coverage. I'm glad this product is being appreciated for it's apparent innovation.

Now, let's see how it performs
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Does anyone think a few more like this are going to be announced shortly by other manufacturers?
I think so, once the initial sales figure come out.

I doubt it will be under $800.
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Photokina 2010: Fujifilm FinePix X100

So I can read your mind at the start of this thread: "Why did this bozo just post about a FinePix in this forum?!?" In part, that's because I have no idea quite how to categorize it. To get your own answer to the question "what is it?" you'll have to check out the details from Photokina, via DPReview:

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Fujifilm has announced the X100, a large-sensor compact camera aimed at professional and enthusiast photographers. Based around a 12Mp APS-C CMOS sensor, Fuji EXR processor and 23mm F2 Fujinon lens (equivalent to a 35mm semi-wideangle), the classically-styled camera features traditional analogue controls for shutter speed, aperture and exposure compensation. Of particular note is the new 'hybrid' viewfinder system which allows the user to switch between optical and electronic viewfinders and project detailed shooting information into the OVF.
Do check out the photos. The X100 looks a bit like the offspring of Sigma DP1 and a Canonet. The hybrid optical/digital VF is especially interesting and if done right may provide an excellent combination of the clarity of optical VFs and the utility of an electronic VF.
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It's not like Fuji has never made a professional-grade, fixed lens RF before!
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HOLY COW.

It takes a conventional cable release!
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I don't see the issue with the camera being fixed lens. The bulk of the cameras that fuji has been putting out for the past 10+ years have been fixed lens. This allows them to control the variables affecting quality, especially in consideration to digital cameras. The sensor and lens were designed with the other in mind.

I think this is a smart move for Fuji. The only real complaint I see here is that it's a fixed lens, which doesn't bother me. Many of you would use a X1 if it wasn't so crazily priced, and many of you see the value in the Ricoh digitals, despite them being fixed lens. Fujinon lenses are great, it's f2, and has iso up to 6400. The lens is essentially a 35/2. If this thing is in the area of $600-$900 I'd strongly consider one.

I can't imagine it being over $1200, considering the Ricoh GRDIII is something like $800 new, and other fixed lens digitals with larger sensors (excluding the X1) aren't that expensive.

Fuji has the digital experience that Leica doesn't, and their high ISO performance is amazing. The f30 was considered the best low light point and shoot for YEARS after it's release.
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I think so, once the initial sales figure come out.

I doubt it will be under $800.
I doubt it will be under $2k.
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Brilliant Common Sense, how Canikon could miss doing this defies all logic but is perfectly predictable.

I bet it comes in at $2499 and isn't in the States until next Summer -- look at how much the 6x7 folder is, plus the exchange rate and the mad rush this is going to generate. But they will still sell out the production.

The only fly in the ointment that I can see is that Fuji will probably butcher the user interface like they've done with all their other digital cameras....

But the really great news is where this type of camera will be in 2012-2013 after the majors see the validation of the concept.

In the meantime, maybe I'll pick up an $1100 X1 next Summer ;-)

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Just allow this comparison to really sink in...









Wow.
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Oh wow, I am going to keep my eyes on this in the future. Seems like a nice upgrade for my Dlux2 as a go everywhere pocket camera. I hate that damn Dlux2
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I can't see this costing more than an X1. It's a fixed lens aps-c sensor camera. I can't see a fixed lens non full frame costing more than a Leica X1, and to price it within even a few hundred dollars seems silly to me, because a lot of people would just spend a few hundred more and get the Leica, even if it is an inferior product, because it says Leica. This happened with the rebranded Panasonic Leica's a few years ago.

Anyways, I think this would have to come in at half of the price of the X1 or less or Fuji is making a huge mistake.
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A size comparison with the Leica X1, in case anyone's wondering:

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WOW. I haven't read any details yet, but

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Of particular note is the new 'hybrid' viewfinder system which allows the user to switch between optical and electronic viewfinders and project detailed shooting information into the OVF.
This is exactly what I've been waiting to see on mirrorless/large sensor compact.

I'm pretty much sold already.
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I love that little 'Fn' button positioned next to the shutter release. I swear upon my first glance it was a little film-counter dial. Nice touch.
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I can't see this costing more than an X1.
I can. I wouldn't buy an X1 at half the price, because its finder system is not nearly so capable as the Fuji's, provided that the Fuji's is well-implemented. The entire reason I usually shoot an M is the optical VF. For this reason alone, the two cameras are not remotely comparable.

The X1 is not even slightly interesting to me. This is.

If I wanted a camera with only an LCD on the back, I'd get a Samsung or an NEX or a Micro 4/3 rig.
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I can't see this costing more than an X1. It's a fixed lens aps-c sensor camera. I can't see a fixed lens non full frame costing more than a Leica X1, and to price it within even a few hundred dollars seems silly to me, because a lot of people would just spend a few hundred more and get the Leica, even if it is an inferior product, because it says Leica. This happened with the rebranded Panasonic Leica's a few years ago.

Anyways, I think this would have to come in at half of the price of the X1 or less or Fuji is making a huge mistake.
The lens is faster - f2 compared with f2.8, it has special offset microlenses on the sensor to reduce vignetting and corner sharpness falloff, it has a hybrid optical viewfinder with lcd overlay and electronic framelines and info that automatically adjust brightness for the scene.

How could you possibly expect it to be half the price of the x1?

I would say that it comes in at a price of around $1600-$1800us. If you think about it the Olympus e-p2 with viewfinder and basic lens comes in at about $1100us. The x1 is $1900us. It's got to be close to the x1 price considering the specs.
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