Leica 50/1.4 summilux Asph.
Old 12-28-2008   #1
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Leica 50/1.4 summilux Asph.

please post here your comments and pics about the new 50mm asph.thanks
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Old 12-28-2008   #2
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Debusti there are loads of reviews and opinions online, just do a search.
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Old 12-28-2008   #3
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Fabulous image stamp. With selective focus it returns a very convincing 3D impression. It gives a smoother rendering than the 50 Summicron. To my eye, it's topnotch for portraiture.

Mine came with an unacceptably poor focusing feel--dry, rough. I sent it in to Leica NJ to have it addressed. It came back significantly smoother, but it's nowhere near my 50 Summicron or 35 Summicron Asph in smoothness. Unfortunately, this is a common issue with the 50 Summilux Asph.

The focusing throw is such that it takes a lot of effort to go from infinity to minimum distance. Personally I don't find that the focusing tab helps, as the heaviness makes single digit turning difficult to perform quickly and accurately. I prefer simply to use two finger focusing; I wish there was a way to remove the tab.

I recommend the 50 Summilux Asph for its signature but not for its ergonomics.
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Old 12-28-2008   #4
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I like it. It's very expensive. I have several photos taken with it on my flickr page. Here is a link to photos taken with this lens:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tgray1/...ux50mmf14asph/
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Old 12-29-2008   #5
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Debusti there are loads of reviews and opinions online, just do a search.
Yes online there are loads and opinions about everything,i think
But i do think that forum are made to speak with people about common interest subjects.... or not?
when i start a thread I know where it starts but I don't know where it can ends...
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Old 12-29-2008   #6
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I see from your pics that it has a very pleasant bokeh..
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Old 12-29-2008   #7
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Debusti, IMHO the current lux 50mm asph is the best lens made by any manufacturer anywhere ( of course i have not tested them all ).

On film:





on the M8:





cannot go wrong with it. The ergonomics are typical leica. The build is
typical Leica. The performance is typical Leica.
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Old 12-29-2008   #8
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Double Negative, how you keeping? Thanks for stopping by.

Yes, forgot the typical leica price.

re: the second b/w pic...divine workings are sometimes revealed through the skin glow of aliens

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Old 12-29-2008   #9
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I owned one for a while. I believe it's the best 50mm you can buy. But, i sold it, for a few reasons:
1. It's very, very expensive [the current price is ridiculous, bordering on stupid/criminal], and i wasn't enjoying rangefinders enough at that time to justify keeping it.
2. The performance is maybe 5% better than the group of the next best lenses, and shooting handheld with Tri-X or whatever wasn't going to give me 5% better results.
3. If i looked at every one of the photography books in my 'collection,' not one of the images what shot with the 50-ASPH, so why would i need it? When i looked at all of the images from other people that i've collected from the web, by far, more were shot with Noktons or Summicrons or somesuch, and the ones from the 50-ASPH were saved usually for the 'wrong' reasons.

Are you looking for a 'push' toward buying it? It's an excellent lens. Sharpness-wise and bokeh-wise. But, i don't think it will give you better images than a ZM 50/Planar or Summicron or Nokton, unless you're shooting at 1.4 constantly.

I've owned, in this order: Summilux pre-ASPH, vintage 50/1.5 Sonnar, DR Summicron, ZM 50 Planar, 50 Summilux-ASPH, and now i have a current 50 Summicron. If price were no object and i could have one of them, i'd take the ASPH. But, even though i can afford the ASPH, if i had no 50mm and wanted one, i'd buy the Nokton, Planar or current Summicron. Probably the Nokton, since i haven't tried it, but i love what i've seen from it.
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That Apple shot is pretty swell.
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Old 12-29-2008   #11
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If you pay uip for this lens, you are betting that it outperforms at f/2 to f/1.4. I think mine does. Here's something I shot at f/1.4 and 1/60th/second last week.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eavis/3134629418/

It is an amazing lens at other apertures, of course. Its flare resistance is amazing.

See here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eavis/3133808325/

And its saturation-rendering is glorious:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eavis/3140982969/
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I agree with Faris. :-)





Luckily, my example is smooth as buttah from a mechanically except for one area - the built in hood. When pulling it out, I have to give it a little wiggle first.
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You guys are killing me. Why does this lens have to cost so much? Why is it that for every $100 dollars I save towards this lens Leica increases the price likewise? At this rate I'll have to wait till the next world to get one.

Anyway, while I wait I can enjoy the pictures it takes from others' work.
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Yes online there are loads and opinions about everything,i think
But i do think that forum are made to speak with people about common interest subjects.... or not?
when i start a thread I know where it starts but I don't know where it can ends...
Don't you agree??
Not really, but each to their own A search would reveal many opinions about this exact subject - the question has been covered lots of times, not only on this site but a number of others. I was merely letting you know that if your interest is in an answer to the question you can find your answer a lot more quickly searching rather than waiting for responses on this thread. Here are the first good hits that came up here. You might also want to check flikr out and search by lens - lots of pics that way.

http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/s...=summilux+asph
http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/s...=summilux+asph
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You guys are killing me. Why does this lens have to cost so much? Why is it that for every $100 dollars I save towards this lens Leica increases the price likewise? At this rate I'll have to wait till the next world to get one.

Anyway, while I wait I can enjoy the pictures it takes from others' work.
It took me three years to save up for this lens. Leica's price increases drove me nuts. At the end of the three years, the price had increased by about $1000USD. I do not regret getting it though.
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My own take on the 50mm f1.4 Asph is that it is probably the best 50mm high speed lens ever made. I doubt that we will be seeing anything better in the near future as neither film nor sensors can resolve what the lens "sees".
As for absolute resolution, it is a toss up between the 50f1.4 Asph and the 50f3.5 Heliar which one can squeeze the most lines/mm out of a negative.
It is an "edgy" lens, not all that pleasing image for most stuff, but when you need details, nothing is like it. The close up performance is stunning - even a f1.4!
Is it worth the money? Well, if you like scalpel like sharpness and can live with the higher contrast - yes. I have had one since it came out and though I use it sparingly - there is a certain pleasure in loading some really fine grain bl/w (+X, Pan F or even Tech Pan from my dwindling supply) and shoot with it. If you are shooting medium speed or high speed films. it is overkill - but for color I would like to try it with the new Kodak Ektar 100!!
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Old 12-29-2008   #17
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I got mine here on RF Classified used. So maybe wait till a reasonably priced one comes up. Worth the wait.
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Wonderful pics!!!
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The S-Nikkor Millennium 50mm f/1.4 is bitingly sharp, sometimes I think sharper than even my Lux ASPH.
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I've been thinking about the 50mm Summilux ASPH for a long, long time and have finally ordered one today. I already have a superb set of old and new 50mm lenses, my favourite focal length, but no Summilux.

I've decided to take advantage of the current M-lens offer as I don't suppose we'll see prices at these levels for a long time hence, so it is now or never if I want to have a brand new lens. I've tormented myself for long enough, now to see what the fuss is about. At the least I'd hope to be able to at least get my money back should I decide not to keep it, and if the prices do rise further then it could even be a little investment for me!
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The S-Nikkor Millennium 50mm f/1.4 is bitingly sharp, sometimes I think sharper than even my Lux ASPH.
Can you show us some pics and explain why you consider it sharper than the lux asph?
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I've been thinking about the 50mm Summilux ASPH for a long, long time and have finally ordered one today. I already have a superb set of old and new 50mm lenses, my favourite focal length, but no Summilux.

I've decided to take advantage of the current M-lens offer as I don't suppose we'll see prices at these levels for a long time hence, so it is now or never if I want to have a brand new lens. I've tormented myself for long enough, now to see what the fuss is about. At the least I'd hope to be able to at least get my money back should I decide not to keep it, and if the prices do rise further then it could even be a little investment for me!
No leica lens rebate here in Italy!!If you want it you have to pay 2800 euro yes euro and not usd
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No leica lens rebate here in Italy!!If you want it you have to pay 2800 euro yes euro and not usd
Unsurprisingly, I gather a lot of UK stock is being bought by customers in the eurozone as the new depths of sterling make it a lot cheaper - 1750 (pre-rebate) = about 1750 euros.
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I didn't know about it but when i checked the price tag of robet white in uk it was like in ItalyASre you sure? DO YOU HAVE SOME ADDRESS?
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Old 04-23-2009   #26
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I think the 50mm ASPH Summilux is everything that it's cracked up to be.

Leica M7 with 50mm Summilux ASPH and Fuji Superia 100 film:

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Old 04-25-2009   #27
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I just bought a chrome version from Popflash, "imported" with international warranty, for $2600. I had sold one and definitely missed it's performance at 1.4 where I do a lot of shooting (concerts especially). This sample has a very smooth focus ring unlike my first one (black). It's possible that the brass components are smoother, don't know. It sure is a superb lens. best...Peter
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It's taken me a while but I think I agree with you. The recent black lenses seem to need breaking-in or something, I've bought a few modern brass lenses recently and they are smooth right from the get-go.



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Interesting Peter. Another case in point for me was that I sold a black 24 elmarit to fund a used M7 0.85. It may have been you who suggested I might regret it, and that was the case. I found a mint used chrome sample, and while the black one did not have focus stiffness per se, the chrome one is smoother and just has a better feel to it. Optically the same....fantastic! best...Peter
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I actually have two of those lenses (don't ask! ) and the black one is in terrible shape with a lot of peeling paint on the rings/barrel. But it is an old one and is perfectly smooth. I also have an old 35/1.4 ASPH that is also perfectly smooth. But most of the newer lenses I've bought have had problems necessitating return to the dealer/Leica. I think QC really slipped at Solms in the last few years and has only picked up with the new ownership.



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beautiful image, thomas, although i believe it has more to do with you than the lens ...
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beautiful photos from everyone. I have a 50m f1.2 canon lens on DSLR gear. Its a beautiful lens. I'd love a similar M mount for my leica though. there is a distinct feel to the summilux lens though, unquestionably remarkable.
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Old 04-27-2009   #33
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I will buy it!!!maybe in 2012......
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I actually have two of those lenses (don't ask! )
Peter- It's people like you who help me maintain the delusion that I'm not crazy! ;>) best...Peter
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Well there is method in my madness, or at least I would like to think so. Rather than ask on forums what others think of a body or lens, I will buy one and try it for myself. Then I will either keep the item or sell. You do need a bit of a slush fund to be able to do this, but there's an inevitable lag in the process and I sometimes end up with having more than one copy of the same lens. One of them ultimately goes of course...


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My black chrome example has one spot of slight 'grab' in the focus ring, I assume when the floating element engages. Otherwise it is smooth, and this grab has seemed to get less noticeable- either I'm getting used to it or it is going away.
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My own take on the 50mm f1.4 Asph is that it is probably the best 50mm high speed lens ever made. I doubt that we will be seeing anything better in the near future as neither film nor sensors can resolve what the lens "sees".
As for absolute resolution, it is a toss up between the 50f1.4 Asph and the 50f3.5 Heliar which one can squeeze the most lines/mm out of a negative.
It is an "edgy" lens, not all that pleasing image for most stuff, but when you need details, nothing is like it. The close up performance is stunning - even a f1.4!
Is it worth the money? Well, if you like scalpel like sharpness and can live with the higher contrast - yes. I have had one since it came out and though I use it sparingly - there is a certain pleasure in loading some really fine grain bl/w (+X, Pan F or even Tech Pan from my dwindling supply) and shoot with it. If you are shooting medium speed or high speed films. it is overkill - but for color I would like to try it with the new Kodak Ektar 100!!
And now the new NOKTON 1.1 asph is coming to town @1100 usd ....we know you tested it....
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Anyone encountered focus shift on this lens?
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I think theoretically the floating element is supposed to eradicate it...



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I concur with Thomas: this lens has no focus shift.
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