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Digital Leica M8 / M8.2 / M9 / M-E /Mono / M10 aka "M" Discussions about the Leica M8 /M 8.2 / M9 / M9-P/ M-E / M Monochrom / M10 aka "M": Leica digital M mount rangefinder cameras. Naming the new digital M the "Leica M" is VERY unfortunate as it will only confuse newbies with other Leica M cameras of the the past. Happily there is room for confusion with only the past 59 years of Leica M production ... since Leica introduced the Leica M system in 1953. All Hail for the Leica Marketing Department learning Leica M history!

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Old 09-28-2006   #1
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1rst DNG from Photokina

http://www.lightmediation.com/blog/i...hotokina&cos=1

I have just made a 37x55cm inkjet print, after quickly acquiring with Adobe Camera Raw, and it is more than promising. However the bokeh is less attractive than with silver halide... I am waiting for precisions concerning the focal lengths and apertures wich were used.
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Old 09-28-2006   #2
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The image looks fine.
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Your modest comment leaves my heart pounding ... would you use a more encouraging word?
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Old 09-28-2006   #4
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Leica and C1 worked together closely to optimize the quality of conversion from M8 RAW files. C1 LE is the bundled RAW converter for that camera. Were such a file, theoretically, to become available it would be wise to process it in C1 LE 3.5 to see what its potential might be.

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Old 09-28-2006   #5
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Did you intend to focus on the farther eye, or did a little "oops" happen at the booth?

By the way, how did you manage to sneak your image file out? Or is Leica allowing the image files to escape now that the firmware is final?

Also, I take it you were using a non-coded lens, since the EXIF data doesn't show an aperture?

(I had a quick peek using default Photoshop conversion, and the overall structure of the image looks very nice. Not sure it's drastically better than a good R-D 1 image other than in pixel count, but that alone would be a plus if cropping is an issue. I'll bet the young lady would be just as happy NOT to have all those little hairs on her face rendered so clearly...)
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Old 09-28-2006   #6
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[quote=jlw]Did you intend to focus on the farther eye, or did a little "oops" happen at the booth?
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Precision : I am not the author of the 2 pictures (unfortunately I don't have handeld the camera yet), I picked up the file for a printing test purpose only and for comparing to my "classic" lens and body. The author of the 2 pictures is the Lightmediation webmaster I suppose.
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Here 2 crops converted and resized for web with Capture One



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Here 2 crops converted and resized for web with Capture One



Where peter? Thanks.
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I have not tried playing with raw files before, I am just used to scanning.

I opened the picture of the lady with CS2 and it says 8 bits. Am I wrong to have expected to get 16 bits?

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When you open a DNG file in CS2, you're using the Adobe Camera Raw plug-in to process it. That's what puts up the first dialog box you see, with the image on the left and all the control sliders on the right.

Below the image, there should be a pop-up menu that lets you to choose to open it at 8 bits or 16 bits.
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I don't have access to photoshop until tomorrow... how are the DNG files at full res? can someone put up some 100% crops and resized ones for the web?
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It selects 8 bits for me. I can change it to 16 bits in the drop box. I assume(d) that if it defaults to 8 bits, then the image data is 8 bits. It selects the size to be as expected, so why lower pixel depth and lose data by default? Is there a way to see how much pixel depth it really has?

Yes, I am new to this..

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Below the image, there should be a pop-up menu that lets you to choose to open it at 8 bits or 16 bits.
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I've opened it, no changes or anything; I only resized 50% with Bicubic Smoother and converted the colorspace to sRGB, for posting.

All the original EXIF data should be there.
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In Photoshop the file info shows max aperture f1.0? It appears that this photo was taken with the noctilux. The aperture value was not recorded though.

Also of note, ISO 320. Very clean for ISO 320!
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Exif Data:

Make - Leica Camera AG
Model - M8 Digital Camera
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 72.00
YResolution - 72.00
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows
DateTime - 2006:09:28 17:07:38
ExifOffset - 220
ExposureTime - 1/500 seconds
ExposureProgram - Manual control
ISOSpeedRatings - 320
ExifVersion - 0220
DateTimeOriginal - 2006:09:27 16:49:31
DateTimeDigitized - 2006:09:27 16:49:31
ShutterSpeedValue - 1/500 seconds
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 1.00
MeteringMode - Center weighted average
LightSource - Auto
Flash - Not fired, compulsory flash mode
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 1317
ExifImageHeight - 1958
FocalPlaneXResolution - 3729
FocalPlaneYResolution - 3764
FocalPlaneResolutionUnit - Inch
FileSource - DSC - Digital still camera
SceneType - A directly photographed image
WhiteBalance - Auto
DigitalZoomRatio - 0 x
SceneCaptureType - Standard
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It selects 8 bits for me. I can change it to 16 bits in the drop box. I assume(d) that if it defaults to 8 bits, then the image data is 8 bits.
No, that just happens to be the default setting. The actual image data from most digital cameras is 12 or 14 bits, but I'm not sure how you would measure the exact depth in Photoshop from an ordinary photo. (I guess that if you had a photo of a subject with known light and dark values you could determine the density range and infer the bit depth from that.)
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For some reason, a few pieces of data are missing.
File size 10.1M
Bit depth 16,16,16

If you look at a Canon 1Ds or Nikon D2X file the bit depth in PS says 8. If you look at an Imacon MFDB or a Leica DMR, it says 16,16,16.

The M8 is producing 16 bit files.
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Here 2 crops converted and resized for web with Capture One
I normally like the C1 conversions but I think the image looked better opened in CS2 via ACR. Not as much noise.

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I Want Iso 1250 Pix And I Want It Now!
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I Want Iso 1250 Pix And I Want It Now!

Okay, I seen the lady enough. I've analyzed every hair on her chinny-chin-chin.

The M8 is wonderful at ISO 320. But the blood lust is rising again. Throwing us a ISO 320 bone can only last for so long. We have gnawed all the meat off this bird.

WE WANT MORE!! WE DEMAND ISO 1250 MEAT. THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE


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The light at that stand was horrible - mixed fluorescent and halogen and low.
To get this quality shot is nothing short of incredible. Guy Manusco has worked the file beautifully onThis FM-forum thread
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"Scan" of the Lady D'NG with VueScan 8.3.70
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"Scan" of the Lady D'NG with VueScan 8.3.70

Attached is a very small 100% crop, and the output from the PERL script `exiftool'
Nice to know I needn't buy a new computer, nor software to work with the M8's files!

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