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View Poll Results: M9/Summilux OR M8.2/Noctilux
M8.2 w/ 50mm Noctilux f1 61 16.14%
M9 w/ 50mm Summilux pre-asph f1.4 317 83.86%
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Old 08-11-2011   #81
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I can't really offer any advice, even though I have most of what's been discussed. I went from a couple of M8's to an M8 and an M9. I still use the M8 quite a bit, as I really like it with the MATE and the 28 Summicron and also IR. I actually prefer the Noctilux (f/1) on the M8 to the M9. I'm not shelling out for something like the 0.95 until its mfd is less than 1m. The Summilux's are great, but make sure you're looking at a late pre-ASPH so that it's mfd is 0.7m and not 1m like the ealier ones. The look of the two lenses is obviously different, so if it's either/or, make sure you like the look of the one you choose.

The 'better high ISO performance' of the M9 is over rated. Crop factors are only really a problem if there is no lens in the FL, speed, size you want; otherwise it's really no big deal. 10Mp is enough for 11x14's, so that's not generally a problem. Some menu items are an improvement, and it's that that is the real benefit of the M9 over the M8. Speed certainly isn't, as there is no difference.

In any case, I use my M9 about twice as much as my M8 now but that is mostly because I shoot lots of wide stuff and that's easier with the M9.

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Old 08-11-2011   #82
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I've tried two examples and both were very hard work to focus (unless you have the grip of a gorilla) since the focussing ring was so stiff. On the upside, after a while using it, you'd probably be very good at opening jars with stuck lids.....

Perhaps they're not all like this. Again, it's personal preference - my black paint pre-asph lux is a joy to focus - quick, ultra-smooth, light, precise.
A lot of the Noctilux out there have had little use. Many have had multiple owners, but few shots taken with them. I too have had a couple since the first one came out. My current one, bought used mint in the mid-90's was very stiff at first but after about 3 months of use was as smooth and easy as any lens. Same with my 75 Summilux; bought NIB about 15 years ago from a dealer who had it on his shelf for 10 years. Stiff and lumpy at first, which helped with the price, and now as smooth as you could wish.

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Old 08-17-2011   #83
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I second Henning on this one - when I bought my 50/1 version 4 second hand from a dealer, it looked like new, with not one single mark (still does due to my attention).

It felt similar to my latest pre ASPH 90/2, rather stiff, but smooth in focus.
After a few weeks of use, the "stiffness" has gone away and the lens is the absolute smoothest of them all.

It is the only lens, I have ever used, that works without ANY perceivable play whatsoever.
It is the only one, I can turn the focus ring with a touch of a (strong) finger with precisely the same amount of force needed close up and at infinity.
There is not one single point in between, that feels different.

My sample is wide open at f1 spot on sharp at 1m AND at infinity.

It indeed is the nicest lens of them all.
The only niggle, one can have with the version 4 is, that as a user lens, the lens hood of the version 4 is less practical, than the bayonet hood.

The version 4 fetches higher prices as being the last f1, but the version 3 is an all together more practical shooter.
The moment, a nice deal on a second Noctilux (v3) comes up, I have to think twice I guess.
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Old 09-07-2011   #84
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The 'better high ISO performance' of the M9 is over rated. Crop factors are only really a problem if there is no lens in the FL, speed, size you want; otherwise it's really no big deal. 10Mp is enough for 11x14's, so that's not generally a problem. Some menu items are an improvement, and it's that that is the real benefit of the M9 over the M8. Speed certainly isn't, as there is no difference.

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I fully agree with this! I am one of the 35 who picked nocti+m8. I have the nocti and used it with my M8 and other M bodies and just recently upgraded to the M9. I miss the 1/8000th on the M8 that the M9 doesn't have but it isn't a deal breaker. Another thing is I got use to having the picture count reading on the top plate of the M8 also lacking on the M9. Looking back with an unbias'd opinion on my experiences, I would choose M8 + nocti if its either or.

M8 is a fine camera although limited. Then again what camera isn't? The M10 will likely not have all the features I want as well. In the mean time I love my nocti, I love my M9, and I love photography.

One of my M8 shots with the nocti...





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Old 09-07-2011   #85
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I also vote for the M8 + 50/1. If I was never going to own another camera or lens, I'd go with the M9 + 50/1.4. I will own more cameras. My M8 is something I use for now, but I probably won't have it in 5 years. My 50/1 will probably be with me for as long as I enjoy taking pictures.

I have both of the lenses you mention, and both are exceptional and quite different from each other. I couldn't imagine parting with either, but I won't bat an eye the day I sell my M8.

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Old 09-12-2011   #86
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The 'better high ISO performance' of the M9 is over rated.
Just to offer a dissenting voice - as someone who shoots in low light frequently (I'm a wedding photographer), I disagree strongly with this.

The M8 at ISO 1250 can produce awful banding, and in any case is borderline unusable. The M9 at ISO 2500 produces (mostly) entirely saleable images. YMMV of course, as will how much this matters to you. For me the M8 was largely useless as a wedding camera, the M9 is so much better.
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Old 09-11-2012   #87
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when buying for me it's ALWAYS glass over bodys,
get that noctilux, use it on the M8, pair it with an M9 when
prices fall through the floor in about 2 weeks from now
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Old 09-11-2012   #88
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when buying for me it's ALWAYS glass over bodys,
get that noctilux, use it on the M8, pair it with an M9 when
prices fall through the floor in about 2 weeks from now

*ding*

keep the M8.2 get some nice glass for it, IMO.

no need for an M9 now. if anything, they'll be much cheaper in the coming weeks...
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Old 09-27-2012   #89
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Get the Noc. the lens is not going to get any cheaper in the future, but the camera will. It will be better off to get the lens now when you had the budget.
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Old 10-04-2012   #90
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how about a M10 and a nokton 1.1
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Old 12-27-2012   #91
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how about a M10 and a nokton 1.1
It's not about where to spend the bigger amount of money - the body or the lens, it's only about one thing: which lens' rendering one prefers.

If it is the Noctilux 1, only a 50/1 and any (preferably M9/MM/M-E/M10 or film M) body will suffice, provided, both are well matched.

If it is the Nokton's look, one prefers, lucky git, I'd say, as a lot of initial cost is saved.
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Old 12-29-2012   #92
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M8.2 and Noctilux for me, the lens will still be as capable in 10 years time when either camera is dust. I thought Leica was all about the glass anyway?
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Old 12-30-2012   #93
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M9 and 50 Lux, no brainer I'd say. Enjoy.

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Old 12-30-2012   #94
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If you really want the nocti, go for the nocti option. You also have to take into account the crop factor of the M8.2. I would personally go for an M9 and Lux (y)
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Old 01-03-2013   #95
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I'd pick M9 & Summilux, my favorite combo.
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Old 10-18-2015   #96
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For sure, M9.

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Old 10-18-2015   #97
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M9 with the 1.1 Nokton will keep you happy and busy while saving for a Noctilux
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This thread goes back several years. Are you sure whether the person who asked for our input on what to buy, if he actually still is waiting for replies, a few years later?
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Old 11-01-2015   #99
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I loved the M8 but my vote is for the M9 and 50 Lux because I love the 50 fov. I enjoyed the 50 Lux pre asph much much less than the asph which is fantastic and far superior to the pre asph. I reckon.
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M9 and 50 Lux or M8 and 35 Lux! IMO the Nocti is a heavy specialty lens, not something I'd want, especially as a single lens.


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If you can afford such expensive lenses, get the latest digital Leica camera that accepts interchangeable lenses.
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I would get the m9 with 35mm cron. And if you can I'd add a 50mm cron too. That's exactly what I did with no regrets.


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This thread goes back several years. Are you sure whether the person who asked for our input on what to buy, if he actually still is waiting for replies, a few years later?
It serves others that may have the same question. My personal recommendation is the Summicron 50/2 Rigid. Perfect for every need.
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I picked the M9 combo, why waste a good lens on a less than stellar camera?
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