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Old 08-16-2012   #681
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Since over four years has slid by since the original post, I vote for a 12 to 16 MP CMOS APS-C RD2.
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Old 08-16-2012   #682
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I'd like a Sony NEX packaged inside of a traditional rangefinder body. And I'd like adapters that make it possible to use classic rangefinder lenses with the camera rangefinder.
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I would like a very small MF camera like the older folders, does not even need a range finder, scale focus would do me.
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My only wish to Cosina/Voigtländer is better quality control. Nearly all VL lenses I bought had the tendency to fall apart after some month of use.
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Vario-Skopar 21-40 f2.8

Hi Stephen,

I think the line of products by voigtlander is pretty complete, nice RF´s and nice priced fast lenses.
A large amoount of accesories to match verey need.....

Nevertheless, voigtlander ,ay improve a little bit their RF´s or lenses but commecially i thinkmthis will not give any advantage, perhaps some pint examples or chromed ones..etc...

I would say VC may have a great deal of innovation making a travel lens like a trielmar or a dual hexanon...i need a bi or tri focal lenght lens....that should be at least 2.8 all over the range.....would be nice to have a 24-35-50 lens or even 21-40 vario skopar....

Also you statesd the digital bessa is not close, but it should be close...digital is a fact for a long term and VC cannot be appart from that....

perhasp some hi end scanners or even a mirrorless camera would be great as well, mayber with a x1.3 crop factor to step ahead from their competitors!!

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Old 08-16-2012   #686
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OK, everyone seems to want a digital Bessa, but that is probably not close.

Besides the Digital Bessa, what NEW Voigtlander rangefinder or SLR lens would you like to see?

Cosina IS watching.
My desires are somewhat obvious but easy to achieve:

- Re-issue the Color-Skopar 28mm f/3.5 with M-bayonet mount.
- Re-issue the Color-Skopar 50mm f/2.5 with M-bayonet mount.
- Re-issue the Heliar 75mm f/2.5 with M-bayonet mount
- Re-issue the Nokton 50mm f/1.5 ASPH with M-bayonet mount

Don't change the optics at all ... I love the rendering qualities, size and weight of these lenses just as they are. To me it's a darn shame that they've discontinued them. Having to buy an adapter increases the cost and adds another thing to juggle.

Beyond that, incorporate Leica M six-bit coding into the current lens line.

Another thought: bring the Micro-FourThirds ultra speed 17.5mm f/0.95 out in M-bayonet mount for use with NEX+adapter and Ricoh GXR M-mount, presuming that it has enough coverage for APS-C format. It would be an interesting specialist lens to use on Leica M8 and M9 even if it didn't cover the entire format.
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Old 08-16-2012   #687
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For the lens line, only a faster 25mm lens, like an 25mm F/2(or 2.5) Ultron. Perfect for photojournalism, and the perfect lens for the R4M.

And again, if digital, could be a APS-C, and dedicated lenses(small image circles), such 14mm f/4, 18mm f/2(.8), 23mm f/2(.5). With adequate viewfinder magnification, of course.

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Old 08-16-2012   #688
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I Hate to be a spoil sport, but since it has indeed been more than 4 years since this thread began, do we really think that the folks at Cosina are really listening, or for that matter care what we the consumer want?
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Old 08-16-2012   #689
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I Hate to be a spoil sport, but since it has indeed been more than 4 years since this thread began, do we really think that the folks at Cosina are really listening, or for that matter care what we the consumer want?
Far as I'm concerned, keeping the thread alive so Steve can report what people are saying back to Cosina has merit.
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Old 08-16-2012   #690
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Pancake f/1.4, 1.8 or 2 in 24/35/50, rangefinder format. Pancake designed preferred over optical perfection. Older glass designs with swirly bokeh will work if helps in size reduction.

f/1.0 in 35/50 formats in compact rangefinder-size.

Tri-Elmar competitor with f/2.8 24/50 options, or 21/35.
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Old 08-16-2012   #691
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Having just discovered the ZM21/4.5 works rather well on the GXR - just wish it was the same size but a couple of stops faster.
So a small 21mm f/2 M mount just for x1.5 crop sensor cameras ( giving 32mm e135.FOV )
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Old 08-17-2012   #692
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If there is one lens that really needs to be brought back, it is the 125mm macro! I would buy it in a heartbeat (assuming it wasnt priced at 2k+ like the used ones on ebay).
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Old 08-17-2012   #693
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Still would like to see an Ra camera set up for longer lenses; 50, 75, 90, and 135 framelines.

And would really like to be see an R with just three frame line choices; 35-50-90.

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Old 08-17-2012   #694
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not just a dRF, but a dRF with screw mount only!

Something Mr K might actually be able to sink his dentures into!
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Old 08-22-2012   #695
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I didn't see this posted anywhere, but I would like to see an emphasis on having curved aperture blades. I know some of the older screw mount lenses had a numerous number of blades resulting in a very round aperture at all stops. This presents a very natural round out-of-focus highlight at even smaller apertures.

I don't know if there are any optical repercussions for having a round aperture through the entire range, but I like the effect on the summar and summitar.
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Old 08-22-2012   #696
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Old 08-29-2012   #697
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i'd love to see a faster 90mm lens, like f/2
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Old 08-29-2012   #698
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Would the auxiliary range finder here be the sort of thing you're looking for:

http://www.fotomancamera.com/Specials.asp

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Voigtlander will never do this but a guy can dream right?

I have a Hassey SWC and CV made a great viewfinder for the 21mm equivalent lens. Well, my request is that they make a viewfinder that is a stand alone rangefinder. They would have to fix a gear to the focus ring on the lens and have that gear connect to the viewfinder. Then I could use something besides zone focusing on my SWC!! I would be in heaven! Voigtlander is the only company making 21mm viewfinders (in the R4 series) so only they could do this. Hey a guy can dream right?? Or maybe make one myself if wanted to destroy my R4M...

Next on the list (more reasonable). More models in the Bessa Lineup but with fewer framelines. I love my R4M because I love wide angle and my 21mm Zeiss is great on it. But I don't think I will be putting a 35mm lens on it... instead I will just get another body (R2 or R2M) and put a 35mm on it. So if they could make a body with just 35mm framelines and make it cheaper then I would do that. Have one body for each focal length (or the most popular) - 21mm, 35mm, 50mm and 90mm. If that would make it cheaper to produce (probable) then I would prefer to buy that.

Also make some stuff in different colors... chrome, olive, grey, white.

Use leather on some of your bodies! Sell some editions where leather is an option instead of rubber.

Lastly - Something I don't care for you to make is a digital. Keep on with film. When the huge electromagnetic pulse from the sky comes down and renders all those digital cameras useless I will be happily snapping away with my R4M.
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Old 08-29-2012   #699
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I don't care if they do digital either, at the moment, if you want an M mount digital, there is Sony NEX 7, GXR, used M8/M8.2/M9, m43, R-D1. If Cosina feel that there is too much competition, then who could blame them. They could do full frame, but then how far away would it be priced from a used M9 once the M10 appears?

Cosina have been in business quite while, they've managed that by making the right decisions for them, and *not* making the wrong decisions. They're not a huge business like Microsoft who can afford to make mistake after mistake.
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My desires are somewhat obvious but easy to achieve:

- Re-issue the Color-Skopar 28mm f/3.5 with M-bayonet mount.
- Re-issue the Color-Skopar 50mm f/2.5 with M-bayonet mount.
- Re-issue the Heliar 75mm f/2.5 with M-bayonet mount
- Re-issue the Nokton 50mm f/1.5 ASPH with M-bayonet mount

Don't change the optics at all ... I love the rendering qualities, size and weight of these lenses just as they are. To me it's a darn shame that they've discontinued them. Having to buy an adapter increases the cost and adds another thing to juggle.

Beyond that, incorporate Leica M six-bit coding into the current lens line.

Another thought: bring the Micro-FourThirds ultra speed 17.5mm f/0.95 out in M-bayonet mount for use with NEX+adapter and Ricoh GXR M-mount, presuming that it has enough coverage for APS-C format. It would be an interesting specialist lens to use on Leica M8 and M9 even if it didn't cover the entire format.

Completely agree with it!
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Old 10-12-2012   #701
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New 35 f2 CV lens and new Bessa a with 28 35 50 frame lines.
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I asked for a 50mm f1.1 and a canon eos mount 28mm pancake and both have come to fruition. Cosina is definitely watching.
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A really affordable (like €300,-) and still good 2.0/50 (non collapsible).
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New Zeiss high resolution lenses announced at Photokina. I sure hope that they are made by CV and not manufactured in Germany.
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Old 12-25-2012   #705
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Been a while since the last post on this thread, but since it's Christmas and as a result there's a lot of requests being put in with a friendly and wise elderly man anyway, here's mine.

Any chance on another Limited-Edition run of some lenses in LTM / M39 mount?

I'd love a fast 35, maybe the 1.4/35mm in LTM...


Maybe even a very limited edition of that lens in black paint and nickel?
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Old 12-31-2012   #706
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I'm the only one who feels a urgent need for a 28/1,4 in M-mount?
Seems to be really a gap in the market.




(A Leica one wouldn't help - unaffordable...)
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A 35mm f/1.4 lens that doesn't shift?
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A 35mm f/1.4 lens that doesn't shift?
They already make one (well, two). It doesn't have tilt either.
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Old 01-01-2013   #709
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An internally updated sensor R-D1 would be just fine by me. Meanwhile I'm carrying on with my originals. Leave the dials and analogue control please.
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Old 01-01-2013   #710
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The "gee wiz" f .95 optics (and other ultra speed lenses) are fine to demonstrate CV technical prowess.

But please, how about a range of compact, moderate aperture, smaller than a coke can, less expensive than a used car, light enough to toss in a jacket pocket, "lenses for the rest of us, not just the rich guys"

They should all be;

LTM with a M adapter included, this way they will fit the widest range of cameras.

Come with a compact aux viewfinder. These should be inexpensive plastic units.

Have a standard filter size.

The lens hood should be straight sided with the front diameter and thread the same as the lens, then you can use the same lens cap on the front of the hood if desired. The hood should be included.

I would envision a five unit "basic RF lens lineup"

21mm f5.6

28mm f4

35mm f2.8

50mm f2

90mm f4

While were on the subject; a basic M mount RF body, no built in meter, user selectable framlines for the classic 35-50-90 with a .7 eyepiece with adjustable diopter from -3 to +1.

Price in current USD; $400 each for the lenses, $500 for the body.

Thus a complete set would run $2500 new. This is only $1000 more than a clean and functioning M6 TTl body only on the used market.
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I would love to see a high quality but simple-featured digital RF camera- a 20MP+ full-frame digital that takes M lenses and uses a Sigma Merrill sensor. It wouldn't have a million modes and a multi-hinged display screen. The cost would all go to image quality.

And a price well under $1000.

Put me on the list, please.

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I would love to see a high quality but simple-featured digital RF camera- a 20MP+ full-frame digital that takes M lenses and uses a Sigma Merrill sensor. It wouldn't have a million modes and a multi-hinged display screen. The cost would all go to image quality.

And a price well under $1000.

Put me on the list, please.

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I second this one, although an X-Trans sensor would work just as well.
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A FF update of the Epson RD-1 with M bayonet, optical VF and no "features".
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Ahh, this is an easy one. Two items on my wish list:

1.) Compact 35mm RF with the 28mm Skopar built in. Some of us made the mistake of not buying this lens in LTM. By Voigtlander-style, I mean medium weight, modern materials, bigger than Konica C35 but not a Canonet. Good quality/cost compromise like the R that started all of this for me. The 35 Skopar would also be a reasonable choice, but I suspect a lot of us missed the 28 simply because it didn't match the camera VF (at the time) and missed out on something good, and would buy such a camera now.

2.) A classy (like Bronica RF645) non-interchangeable lens vertical format 645 RF. It seems that everything ever made in this format had some fatal design flaw. I think the format has potential that was never reached. Otherwise, I keep shooting my Pentacon
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The dream: FF digital body with M mount. No frills, just the basics like the R2M or similar. Even the meter isn't necessary, but it *is* digital so...

Perhaps more practical: Fast portrait-length lens that isn't huge and unwieldy (within reason and optico-physical limitations). Perhaps an 85/1.8, 85/2, or 90/2. LTM would be nice too. I'd use this focal length more (for portraiture of course) if it were practical. The Canon and Nikkor 85/2 lenses I've played with are OK, but the optics are pretty old and they all would need an overhaul to make the focus smooth and precise, etc. Oh and they're *heavy*. I seriously see a niche for a portrait lens that isn't heavy (again within reason), relatively small, uses modern optics and coatings, reasonably fast, and costs less than the Leitz 90/2 APO (preferably a lot less).

If I had to choose between my suggestions above, I'd opt for the FF digital body with M mount. Price it below $2000 and I think you'd have a hard time keeping up with overwhelming demand. I'd pre-order...
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A Bessa III (IV) / GF670 with a wider RF base - the short RF base is the only, but quite serious, drawback for me with this anotherwise perfect camera. Next would be a f/2.8 lens, but that I can live without - particularly since the RF base is so short.
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Buy a ton of leftover D700 sensors for cheap and cram them in bessa/RD1 bodies
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Hey, me again.

Still hoping for an 1.4/35mm in screw mount but also recently developed a lust for a copy of Konicas Hexanon 1.2/60mm in screw mount.

Man that would be something, only 900 Hexanons were made and they run over USD 7000 atm, if you can even find one that is...

Fingers crossed here, mr. K!
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My wish list would be:
1) a compact RF body like the CL or CLE (digital would be a dream come true!)
2) a compact 28mm M-mount lens (which will be used on my CLE too)
3) +1 for an updated R-D1 with Foveon sensor (APS-C) or FF CMOS sensor (I like Spicy's idea of buying cheaply leftover sensors from D700s and cramming them in Bessa/ R-D1 bodies!)
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