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Old 12-20-2012   #161
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If anybody is interested, here is the full set of Hasselblad/63 filters.
These fit the Superwide and the 50/60 Distagons.
You attach them with a retaining ring set, or a screw-in lenshood.

Green "G"
Yellow-Green "YG"
Red "R"
Orange "O"
Yellow "Y"
Neutral Density "ND" 64X

There is of course also the UV "0", keep those on lenses for protection.
The red filter would be good for B&W film and landscapes. The green filter is good for portraits.
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I see a filter that is between the lens hood and the camera. How does the filter retaining look like?
Photo.net has a good picture.

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The red filter would be good for B&W film and landscapes. The green filter is good for portraits.
... For B&W film:

Red filters are pretty extreme, too much so for anything but relatively severe landscape work IMO.

I use an Orange filter most of the time. Does almost as good a job as a red filter for darkening blue skies, and lightens, softens Caucasian skin tones (heals a lot of bad skin ;-).

Green filters do a similar thing with darker skinned people, and also do a great job of helping to separate/brighten the tones in mixed foliage. I find I only rarely use the green, however.

I also like pretty deep ND filters too, 6 stops or so (ISO 100 becomes ISO 1.5). Gives me the opportunity to extend exposure time quite a lot for the effect that gives. Good, truly neutral ND filters are useful for both B&W and color film. I *think* B+W still makes them in Series VIII ...
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Yellow-Green, K2, Yellow-Orange, 3 stop ND. Covers all of my bases. Add a polarizer as needed. Yes, they also work for B&W film.

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Does anyone know what viewfinder Friedlander is using in the Avedon photo? Love the camera, can't stand the stock viewfinder.
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Does anyone know what viewfinder Friedlander is using in the Avedon photo? Love the camera, can't stand the stock viewfinder.
Do you have a link to the Avedon photo?

The standard SWC viewfinder is a little funky, the one supplied with the 903SWC model is optically better and easier to use. But I missed the bubble level on the body of the 903SWC, and like the DoF indicators on the Synchro-Compur shutter models.

Nothin's perfect. ;-)

BTW, the Acratech Arca-Swiss type QR plate I ordered for the SWC arrived yesterday. The camera now mounts on the tripod's ball head as if it was set in cement, superb quality and fit. Acratech makes Really Good Stuff!

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Does anyone know what viewfinder Friedlander is using in the Avedon photo? Love the camera, can't stand the stock viewfinder.
I think he's using the stock 903 finder, and it has a custom flash bracket around it.
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Take a look at Pancro Mirrors, most ND9 filters are a bit yellow on slide film.

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... For B&W film:

Red filters are pretty extreme, too much so for anything but relatively severe landscape work IMO.

I use an Orange filter most of the time. Does almost as good a job as a red filter for darkening blue skies, and lightens, softens Caucasian skin tones (heals a lot of bad skin ;-).

Green filters do a similar thing with darker skinned people, and also do a great job of helping to separate/brighten the tones in mixed foliage. I find I only rarely use the green, however.

I also like pretty deep ND filters too, 6 stops or so (ISO 100 becomes ISO 1.5). Gives me the opportunity to extend exposure time quite a lot for the effect that gives. Good, truly neutral ND filters are useful for both B&W and color film. I *think* B+W still makes them in Series VIII ...
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I posted this earlier in this thread: Lee Friedlander by AVEDON:

http:[email protected]/2639584806/

And, here is AVEDON, by Lee Friedlander:

http://www.hidinginplainsight.mobi/2...nd-avedon.html

Is he using a digital camera as an electronic viewfinder, mounted above the SWC?
And then a flash shoe and shoe-mount flash on top of that?
Pretty darn cool. Point and shoot, Baby. Impressive results.

AVEDON is using an 8x10 Sinar Norma, if anybody is interested. I have one, too.
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Minor trouble in paradise: the aftermarket lens hood I got does not fit the hasselblad 63 orange filter I've obtained. PITA.

If that Hasselblad C 50 lens hood for the Distagon 50mm works without vignetting, I'd nab it as they run in the $65-90 range, where the C 38 hoods I've found are going for $150-$250.

I've sent the seller of this aftermarket hood a note. If he can't find me one that works, I'll return it ...

So it goes.

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I posted this earlier in this thread: Lee Friedlander by AVEDON:

http:[email protected]/2639584806/

And, here is AVEDON, by Lee Friedlander:

http://www.hidinginplainsight.mobi/2...nd-avedon.html

Is he using a digital camera as an electronic viewfinder, mounted above the SWC?
And then a flash shoe and shoe-mount flash on top of that?
Pretty darn cool. Point and shoot, Baby. Impressive results.

AVEDON is using an 8x10 Sinar Norma, if anybody is interested. I have one, too.
I think it is a standard 903/905 finder, but mounted inside a metal frame that provides a higher mounting point for the flash unit. I can just make out the rubber eyecup. The finder is pretty big compared to the earlier version.
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Hi Chris,
It does look more like a metal frame, rather than a digital camera. I don't have a Superwide (yet!) and am not familar with the 903/905 finder, although I have heard the newer finders are somewhat improved over the older ones. Although it looks rather bulky, it is still quite an interesting-looking rig.

I use Stroboframe Brackets with my 500C/M and EL/M bodies, for shooting flash with Modified 283's, and Norman 200B strobes. These brackets put the flash about 12" directly over the top of the lens, which I think is the perfect position for medium-format on-camera flash units. Friedlander's adaption would accomplish about the same thing, I am guessing.
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I think it is a standard 903/905 finder, but mounted inside a metal frame that provides a higher mounting point for the flash unit. I can just make out the rubber eyecup. The finder is pretty big compared to the earlier version.
Yes, that's a standard 903/905 SWC finder. The bracket around it provides a flash unit mounting ... with the finder fitted in the accessory shoe as normal, there's nowhere to mount a flash. The bracket gives a place to mount both finder and flash.

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...If that Hasselblad C 50 lens hood for the Distagon 50mm works without vignetting, I'd nab it as they run in the $65-90 range, where the C 38 hoods I've found are going for $150-$250.
A little spate of Ebay hunting and I've located and ordered

- Hasselblad filter retaining ring C
- Hasselblad 50 C lens hood
- Hasselblad 38 C lens hood
- Hasselblad diffusion (soft focus) filter
- Hasselblad green filter
- Hasselblad lens cap C

I found three 38 C lens hoods for $250, $250 and $165 BIN pricing respectively. So I ordered a mint condition 50 C hood I found for $40 to give it a try ... then, an hour later, I found another 38 C hood in good but not beautiful condition for $70, mis-labeled. Ach.

At least this way, I'll know for sure whether the 50 C hood vignettes on the SWC compared to the 38 C hood. :-/

It's pouring outside at the moment. Perhaps I should load the camera and be ready if it stops for a little bit...

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3mm difference between the 38 and 50 shade.

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3mm difference between the 38 and 50 shade.
Thanks! I saw that somewhere. But does the 50 lens shade vignette on the SWC? That's the question no one seems willing to answer ...

It seems unlikely, most manufacturers err on the conservative side and make their hoods too short to be most efficient. But there seems no way to know for sure without trying them both in a test setup.

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Use the ground glass back at different aperture setting to chek it out.
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Use the ground glass back at different aperture setting to chek it out.
Yes. But you still have to have both to compare them.

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Yes. But you still have to have both to compare them.

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If the less costly shade does not vignette, then I woud keep it. Maye someone who uses the hood on the SWC can comment on this issue.
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Sorry for chiming in so late, been busy with my roof repair from Hurricane Irene.
Raid and Godfrey, the older 50mm C lenshood will vignette at the outer edges of your image frame.

If you have the original 38mm C lens-hood for the SWC, SWC/M, use it as it has a little lip to allow you to mount the correct Bay 63 filters for use with the hood.

The filter retaining rig will only hold the filter, and not include the hood. Its one or the other. I do not have the older 50mm C lens to test out this theory, but believe that it works similarly like the filter to original lens-hood setup as described above.

Its best to buy the original Hasselblad filters if possible. The 3rd Party vendors such as Tiffen, Hoya, Kodak , H & H did make Series 8 filters that will work on the SWC.

The main difference is positioning of the rear filter ring that faces in "near-contact" with the front of the 38mm Biogen front optical lens. If you have the original filters and compare it against the 3rd Party vendor, the portion of the filter that is flush with the filter ring must face the front of the lens and must sit in the3 front of the lesnhood. Don't be in haste and assume the filter will fit either way. THe seating of the filter glass flush up front allows the rear portion to have an "air distance" held in place by the actual filter ring. Look at the3 filter before you insert it into the lens-hood.

There were many reports back then of the front lens getting scratched or impacted by the filter. I bought my SWC from Ken Hansen Photo and remember Ken installing several of the buyers of this problem. I was on of those buyers. The SWC & SWC/M with the C lenses were sold by Ken Hansen whenever he got them in. Majority of the time it was sold out to the many young Japanese photographers to used it as a Point & Shoot camera.

I use an assortment of filters to supplement the original Hasselblad Series 63 filters. Majority of them are Hoya or Tiffen with MC coating. My SWC was converted to SWC/M when the upgrade kit was widely available for Polaroid back use.

Finders - I use the original finder as it is more solid then the newer OEM 903/905SWC finders. I have one of the newer finder for tripod use only. Not so sure of the quality of the Chinese made 903/905SWC finders on eBay.

As for straps, it was a choice of the thin leather strap, hand strap, newer nylon strap (I use all three) and the Domke Griper strap.

I use my SWC/M as a Point & Shoot when I travel overseas for medium format images. For all intend, it serves its purposes as a high quality camera.

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Thanks, Evan! I remembered that about the glass offset in he Hasselblad Series 63 filters, one of the reasons I've hunted down only Hasselblad filters. Thankfully, I only need the orange and green for the most part .. :-)

So I've likely spent an extra forty bux for the 50 C hood. Oh well, I'll just resell it.

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Godfrey,

Since you have the 50mm lens-hood, why not shot one to two frames to see the vignetting at the outer corners could be used as part of the aesthetic overall image? If vignetting is an issue, then you could always post it for sale at a later point.

As for filters, I have the entire Hasselblad Series 63 filters purchased at camera show at different prices. Maximum price I ever paid was $25 each filter. The Hoya and Tiffen and B+W filters do offer an alternate choice if you need MC filters or filters not offer with the original Hasselblad filter set.

I love to use the SWC for architectural shots of buildings, ancient temples, and even bridges! I gave away many frames photos of the Golden Gate bridge I shot with my SWC from years ago.



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Thanks, Evan! I remembered that about the glass offset in he Hasselblad Series 63 filters, one of the reasons I've hunted down only Hasselblad filters. Thankfully, I only need the orange and green for the most part .. :-)

So I've likely spent an extra forty bux for the 50 C hood. Oh well, I'll just resell it.

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Since you have the 50mm lens-hood, why not shot one to two frames to see the vignetting at the outer corners could be used as part of the aesthetic overall image? If vignetting is an issue, then you could always post it for sale at a later point.
Of course ... :-)

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As for filters, I have the entire Hasselblad Series 63 filters purchased at camera show at different prices. Maximum price I ever paid was $25 each filter. The Hoya and Tiffen and B+W filters do offer an alternate choice if you need MC filters or filters not offer with the original Hasselblad filter set.
Camera Fairs have become much sparser around here lately. ... Used to be one every month. But I'll keep my eyes open at the next one.

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I love to use the SWC for architectural shots of buildings, ancient temples, and even bridges! I gave away many frames photos of the Golden Gate bridge I shot with my SWC from years ago.
Yes. Can't wait to get back into the swing of superwide shooting.
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Hey Evan!

Nice to see you over here. We have quite a history together, over on the Kiev Delphi Forum, where I have a different "handle". (Hassydan)

Merry Christmas to you and your family!
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Dan,

Glad to see another RFF member that uses modified 283's. The only downside is that several units with reflectors, grids, snoots, clamps ... are as expensive as one or two dynalite kits .

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It does look more like a metal frame, rather than a digital camera. I don't have a Superwide (yet!) and am not familar with the 903/905 finder, although I have heard the newer finders are somewhat improved over the older ones. Although it looks rather bulky, it is still quite an interesting-looking rig.

I use Stroboframe Brackets with my 500C/M and EL/M bodies, for shooting flash with Modified 283's, and Norman 200B strobes. These brackets put the flash about 12" directly over the top of the lens, which I think is the perfect position for medium-format on-camera flash units. Friedlander's adaption would accomplish about the same thing, I am guessing.
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Hi Dan,

Small World isn't it? Rick is the moderator on the Large Format Forum. Hopefully next Spring or Summer we will get a chance to get together for another shoot.!

Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year to you & your family too!

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Godfrey,

Camera shows are a scarcity nowadays... In the NYC/NJ vicinity where I live, the older camera shops are folding. Lens & Repro I discovered, has closed their doors. What remains is B & H Photo. Adorama, and Calumet Photo. The days of the bargain bins are over.. Hence the reasoning for visiting camera shows to find the odd and ends we need for our hobby or craft..

i have to take a look at "The Hasselblad Compendium" book by Rick Nordin to see exactly what Series 63 filters Hasselblad offered, but I believe I have the entire set plus additional filters from Hoya and Tiffen which complements what I lacked with the Hasselblad set. A rarity is a Polarizer filter from Tiffen , Soft Focus
and CloseUp from Hoya!

If I have any duplicate filters, I might sell them in the Classified Section. I will keep you updated..
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Of course ... :-)



Camera Fairs have become much sparser around here lately. ... Used to be one every month. But I'll keep my eyes open at the next one.



Yes. Can't wait to get back into the swing of superwide shooting.
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Sounds good to me.

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Evan,

The Camera Fairs out here on the Left Coast are disappearing under pressure from Ebay for used gear sales. It's simply economics: Ebay poses a much much bigger audience/marketplace to sell gear into than a monthly swap meet.

I've got the Hasselblad Series 63 Orange filter in hand, ordered a Green and Diffuser which are on the way. That's probably all I need/want other than maybe an ND filter. If B+W still makes the Type 106 ND (six stops) in Series 8 for Hasselblad, that will be just about perfect. A two or three stop would be fine too. I've never really used much other than that, even before digital capture existed.

I have my copy of "The Hasselblad Compendium" somewhere around here still, I think. I might have given it to the friend that I sold my 500C/M kit to, tho. I'll have to look around after I get back from traveling ... out on the plane this afternoon... :-)

Everyone, have a good holiday!

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So, where are the photos Raid ?
I am using the SWC these days, and I need to get 5-6 rolls developed. I used the camera today. I hope that the images will look good. The past weeks were quite busy at work, but now I have Christmas break at the university.

Who still develops 220 film?
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I look forward to seeing your photos!
I'll start shooting with the SWC next week.
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Thank, Godfrey. I am getting used to the SWC, but I need to get the rolls developed to learn from my mistakes.

I have used it for close-ups of people, and for landscapes.
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A follow up, now that I'm back from Xday traveling:

- seller heavystar responded to my query about the hood that would not take the filters by sending me another one that fits the filters perfectly.

- All the other bits I've ordered have arrived ... hoods, filters, etc. The "cheap" Hasselblad 38 C hood is a little beat up but nothing terrible ... I cleaned up the worn spots on the edges with a permanent black magic marker and it looks mostly respectable. The original Hassy hood(s) are heavier weight and thread into the lens more smoothly than the aftermarket hood, but now that I have one that fits the filters, they all work fine.

- I found a very cheap chimney viewfinder (KEH, BGN condition) and a very inexpensive 45 degree angle finder. Both are on their way.

I'll load the back tomorrow and go shoot a test roll. I've been looking forward to this all the time I was away. :-)

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I have contemplated selling my SWC/M. I don't use it much. This thread has inspired me to try to use it more, and then decide whether to sell it or not.

Here's a photo from a few Chrsitmas's ago. It wouldn't have been possible to take with my Hasselblad 50mm lens on a V body because I couldn't back up any further.

Belated "Season's Greetings" to everyone, and Best Wishes for the New Year.

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Here are a couple more Hasselblad SWC/M shots:



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How will you use these two finders? Are they really needed?
Isn't the dof sufficient for photography with hyperfocal settings?

Congrats on getting all parts.



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A follow up, now that I'm back from Xday traveling:

- seller heavystar responded to my query about the hood that would not take the filters by sending me another one that fits the filters perfectly.

- All the other bits I've ordered have arrived ... hoods, filters, etc. The "cheap" Hasselblad 38 C hood is a little beat up but nothing terrible ... I cleaned up the worn spots on the edges with a permanent black magic marker and it looks mostly respectable. The original Hassy hood(s) are heavier weight and thread into the lens more smoothly than the aftermarket hood, but now that I have one that fits the filters, they all work fine.

- I found a very cheap chimney viewfinder (KEH, BGN condition) and a very inexpensive 45 degree angle finder. Both are on their way.

I'll load the back tomorrow and go shoot a test roll. I've been looking forward to this all the time I was away. :-)

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Old 12-28-2012   #198
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very nicr looking image

The exposure is perfect.


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I have contemplated selling my SWC/M. I don't use it much. This thread has inspired me to try to use it more, and then decide whether to sell it or not.

Here's a photo from a few Chrsitmas's ago. It wouldn't have been possible to take with my Hasselblad 50mm lens on a V body because I couldn't back up any further.

Belated "Season's Greetings" to everyone, and Best Wishes for the New Year.

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Yaron,

All three of your photos are just superb! Thanks for posting them.

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How will you use these two finders? Are they really needed?
Isn't the dof sufficient for photography with hyperfocal settings?

Congrats on getting all parts.
Some of the ideas I have exploit the flat field, near focus capability of the SWC, where focusing becomes critical and dof is always shallow. The two different finders allow choice in how to get my eye to the camera for critical focusing ease.

BTW, on the suggestion of some folks on another forum, I bought a Lee single filter pouch (for up to 4x6" flat filters) to protect the GG back when not in use. It's a near perfect fit and should prevent damage to the optical surfaces nicely.
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