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Old 11-06-2012   #26
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What is your IQ ?
Old 11-06-2012   #27
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Wink What is your IQ ?

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i really went back and forth before i posted this, because its not my intent to rain on anyones parade, but i bought one..., tony
No worries Tony - rain is good

Having the same setup (EP2 and V1) I have yet to shoot with legacy lenses on the V1. I am not even sure I am going to since there is no IBIS.

This last Saturday I was back home and went out shooting on the streets in the evening with a small Ultra Pod II. Tripod and self timer allowed me to go ISO 100. It was easily the best photo experience this year. Tourists interacted with me in a pleasant manner and the locals (thinking I was a tourist not understanding what they were saying) commented on my eagerness (in a friendly voice). On a few occasions it was difficult to get the AF to work, but turning the camera the AF point focused in the end every time.

The photographers expectations concerning IQ are the key to happiness or not with this camera. Only very rarely do I crop in PP and prefer to discard a picture if not framed "correctly". On a few occasions I shot at ISO 3200 Saturday night and once forgot to go back to ISO 100. The night time ISO 3200 pictures are horrible

I will try to post some images soon.

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Do you want one raw or several at different ISO?
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thanks X. yes i agree, expectations are everything, in photography and probably life as well.

any tips you have for my intended use would be great. after initial tests i determined i would not shoot this camera above iso200. ive picked very sunny days to test it so, in absence of IBIS, i could use highest possible SSs. for ex. at FL 270mm 100mm lens) i never shot below iso400. some shots looked fine, but any magnification yielded results that looked like i shot through cheesecloth, very muddled.

now obviously handheld telephoto without any focus aids aint easy, and maybe thats the issue. but my old ep2 didnt have focus aids and i never got such muddled results.

anyway, i would love this camera to work because the 2.7x crop is awesome and the frames per second speed is awesome, so it has the potential to be an invaluable tool for nature shots. i,m thinking of asking my camera guy if he can remove the AA filter as maybe that would help 'clarify' things.
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will do no later than tonight - you got 4 others to evaluate.
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Capture NX2 will do...

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any tips you have for my intended use would be great...

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...i,m thinking of asking my camera guy if he can remove the AA filter as maybe that would help 'clarify' things.
tony
Since it is early days for me the only thing I can really recommend is downloading a trial version of Capture NX2 and see if the output pleases you more. I really wish all makers would just commit to .dng. So far (to my old eyes) it does make a difference in overall "clarity" for lack of better words.

Somewhere deep down I cannot help comparing the V1 to a Coolpix and I think that is what really makes me impressed. If one had the newest Nex bodies or the E-M5 as reference, maybe it would be different.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the EP2 magnification is much bigger than the V1? That helps me a lot with focusing legacy lenses.

I have shot legacy lenses (Contax G) on a Sony Nex platform and Olympus bodies, and I much, much prefer them on the latter. IQ is obviously better on the former, but the IBIS in the latter is the deal winner for me.

Removing the AA filter sounds interesting. Please post if you do.

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Tony,

By coincidence a colleague showed me some bird shots he had taken over the weekend - he has a high-end Canon and 'L' glass and was doing comparisons with his V1 and a ~$700 nikon dslr zoom (300mm on the long end) using the nikon adapter. At ~250mm (675 equivalent) the images were very impressive - almost as good as, if not equivalent to, the DSLR photos and this camera is far more portable than a DSLR with an equivalent zoom, not to mention 1/5 the price. The amount of detail in the feathers was amazing for 10mp. There are aspects of the ergonomics I can see are not great for wildlife, but the fast focussing and IQ seem ideal for such a small package.
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Meeker thats interesting. From what ive read on the web using nikon legacy glass with official nikon adapter results in mch different and better IQ than other legacy glass/adapters.

X, thanks. Yes the oly has better magnification. W legacy glass nikon has no magnification or metering at all. Yeah i agree ibis is a great function esp with tele work.
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Nice post, Xpanded - really excellent. Of course, when I saw a V1 kit for $349 (refurbished) I simply could not not resist. So I have joined the club. Last year I had a serious fling with m43, but it didn't take. This seems much more promising so far. Not a perfect camera, by any stretch, but really excellent in some areas and the quirks seem less troubling than what I experienced with m43. What's a big deal for me is that menus and workflow are similar enough to my DSLR workflow to make many things easier.

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You are using the V1 AF assist light, yes? It's easy to forget to re-activate it and the camera is lost without it in low light. But with it, it seems to focus as well as a low-end DSLR in any light...provided there's a subject to lock onto and that is close enough for the light to have an effect. And the light isn't blocked by a lens hood or your hand - and both of those are painfully easy to do!

Also - about the sleep issue - since the V1 has such a beefy battery - I simply set the sleep timer to 10min. I always seem to have a few extra EN-EL15 batteries.

That "image review" is pain - at least it cancels on a half-press of the shutter....
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At ~250mm (675 equivalent) the images were very impressive
Thom Hogan seemed quite impressed with it too while shooting birds (Galapagos?). I have seen a New Zealander on youtube using it with the FT1. I am quite impressed with focusing speed.
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You are using the V1 AF assist light, yes?

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Also - about the sleep issue - since the V1 has such a beefy battery - I simply set the sleep timer to 10min. I always seem to have a few extra EN-EL15 batteries.

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That "image review" is pain - at least it cancels on a half-press of the shutter....
1) Yes, unfortunately. The light is on. It just is not that powerful - but of course I live in Europe, where the "lights are out"

2) I think I am still not used the massive battery. You are right of course.

3) Yeah, that is very "Nikon" - fortunately.
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Thumbs up Short termish conclusion

Just a short follow up note after longer use (and with the price of the V1 falling even more).

Wakey, wakey! I overcame my oh no the battery is draining fast phobia [based on using Sigma DP cameras…] and have as suggested adjusted the sleeping mode time so it stays awake for longer. It works well. The camera is now ready all the time. I walked three hours on a 7 degree Celsius day with it awake almost all the period and the battery fell from 97% to 31%; not bad. Two batteries will last you a full shooting day.

Get a grip… Am considering buying the Fotodiox grip. Have just realised the Nikon grip is stupid since it does not allow the user to change card/battery without removing it. Usually I am a big fan of Franiec’ grips, but I think on the V1 the more substantial Fotodiox grip will be better.

Vision (literally) My glasses are now permanently on (my nose) when using the camera and it works very well.

Robin Lens Hood I have added some cheap third party lens hoods (Nikon should have supplied them and thus I felt not compelled to support them) and they work well.

V2 grip A few days ago I hold the V2 in my hands for the first time, and I do not like the grip. It is way too short. The camera seems great otherwise (except for the price).

Pricing. It is now even lower than when I bought them. It is almost at a level where you may consider buying one extra just for the battery. Perhaps Nikon had been better advised giving one away for free (perhaps without lens) when you bought a D4/D800/D800e. Then they would gain a sale of a FT1 adapter or a lens. Mind you, I am not complaining.

Short termish conclusion is much the same: A joy to use .
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A couple more recent ones using the V1:







Click for bigger versions. The last one taken at 1/30s ƒ/5 ISO 1250. The mode dial was driving me nuts - far too easy to switch into motion snapshot or whatever - so I've taped over it. I have ordered a Gordy strap for the V1, since the camera is usually either in hand or in my bag.
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Three beautiful pictures.
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What a beauty. How do you find the V1 with the Voigtländer lens? Is it easy to focus?

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Yes, the focussing is quite easy with EVF, and the small sensor means the DOF is huge compared to FF.
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meeker, as i recall from my use w mf lenses, the camera in no way recognizes such a lens is attached, and therefore neither the focus aid evf magnification, nor any camera auto metering works. is that correct? i found those features, or lack of them, made using the v1 in this manner extremely frustrating....
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Correct. It's manual focus without metering. I just use sunny 16 or an incident meter and then check the histogram - the meter does give the right exposure values from what I can tell. I haven't gone street shooting with this combo, but I figure at f5.6 even zone focussing would give acceptable results (e.g. at f5.6 the DOF is 14 ft with subject at 20 ft, increasing 22 ft at f8). I guess ease of use is all relative - it's easier than walking around with a zorki, and I had a lot of fun with that camera.
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A single shot (no HDR) at iso3200, converted to B&W in SilverFX

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"Foreign" Glass on the V1

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i really went back and forth before i posted this, because its not my intent to rain on anyones parade, but i bought one, very cheap, with kit zoom, but solely for use as a telephoto (2.7x) alternative to my gxr m mount. i wanted to mount RF and other legacy glass for wildlife, birds etc.

i'm sorry, but i am greatly disappointed in the IQ used this way, or in fact even with the kit zoom outside on a sunny day. ive used it with some great lenses, the cv color heliar 75/2.5, summicron 40/2 and elmar 90/4, the contax T sonnar 135/4, the konica ar 57/1.4&100/2.8 and the kit lens, in good light and got results noticeably not as good as my old and long gone olympus ep2.

now, i unapologetically pixel peep. i look at most of my work at 50-100% crop and expect subject clarity from the in focus areas. this is especially my expectation when shooting wildlife. i dont get that from this nikon, with any glass, in the best of conditions.

now maybe i'm using it wrong or i expect too much, and again, i dont mean any disrespect to those who like it. but for my purposes, if those might be shared by others thinking of this rig, i thoughti should add my opinion.

please feel free to differ if your experiences with similar equipment for similar usage varied.
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Have you tried a Leica M 8/9 with those lenses?
How are your results then?
What sort of adapter do you have?
I imagine it is very difficult to focus with these "longer" lenses on the V1.
Has anyone else tried it?
Even the 40mm would be 104mm on the V1.
Have you any wider "M/m39" lenses to try on the V1?
Be interested to hear from anyone that has.
Not that i am going to go out & buy an adapter.
Imagine a 15 Heliar would be interesting?
Just happen to have one as well.

Paid £214.99 for my V1 + 10-30.
Very pleased with it.
2*100% crops of our village Church attached.
1 taken with V1 (13.6mm) on the 10-30 ISO 140
The other M9 + 35 Summarit ISO 160 (Darker coloured stone)
The Leica is, of course sharper etc etc. But the Nikon is not bad.
& dont forget you can buy 27 Nikon V1`s for the Price of the M9 & a "cheap" Summarit 35.
I think the Nikon has done a better job with the colour of the Stone!

My "M9" is a loan Camera, from Leica while they mend mine. It has, I think, various issues! So i may, or may not be doing Leica Camera AG a disservice!
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