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11-20-2012
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I think that the M9 is an overall better camera than the M8, while the latter lucked out for good B&W performance due to increased IR sensitivty.
The rest is personal preferences and opinions, just like I have an opinion.
Both cameras are good cameras.
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11-20-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raid
I think that the M9 is an overall better camera than the M8, while the latter lucked out for good B&W performance due to increased IR sensitivty.
The rest is personal preferences and opinios, just like I have an opinion.
Both cameras are good cameras.
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I agree. I love my M9. But I've sold or traded all of my other small cameras and need a back up body. While I'd love a Monochrom, I'm not sure I can afford a one trick pony. Another M9 is the logical choice. An M8 would work equally as well except for swapping filtered and non filtered lenses or adding another lens in the 25-28 focal length range. With a 28mm lens like an Elmarit, the M8 it becomes a $4500 camera... vs a $4500 used M9 vs a $7000 new M.
I'll wait to see the reviews and sample images before deciding how to invest.
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11-20-2012
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I am not worried about new cameras emerging. I have trust in hands on reports by experienced photographers who advised me to get the M8 and then the M9. I bought both as used cameras, and I am using the lenses that I already own.
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12-12-2012
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They just don't hold up at larger sized compared to more modern cameras... up close that is. But I'll admit they don't bad compared to my 400 speed film 12x18" prints from the 90s... about the same.
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Ok, I have to quote myself and correct myself... I up-rezzed a M8 file to M9 size and made 20x30" prints from both and the differences in sharpness and resolution between the two were a lot closer than I thought they'd be. I guess the initial set of prints I made was with worse glass (35mm color skopar vs. c-biogon/summicron) and may have had a bit of user error involved with regard to focus. I'm actually impressed with the M8. I also made a print at this size from the Sigma DP2m and it impressed me more than both Leicas. Very happy.
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12-12-2012
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That sounds reasonable. I was quite surprised at your original findings.
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12-12-2012
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I never used an M9 but I LOVE my M8u and have no regrets. I bought it a cpl of months ago and if I had known how great the thing works I would have not waited this long.
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12-17-2012
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I still use an M8 for various work. The M8 is fantastic...if you use CARE. You need to be intentional. dynamic range is tight on the M8 especially as ISO increases. You need to be well aware of this and expose 100% accurate the higher you go for your intended image. No shoot and hope for good. You need to be intentional. I can't stress this enough. Even at base ISO, the images are fantastic but will show grain should you screw it up. I can print big with the M8 no problem...if the images are made carefully, processed carefully, and sized carefully for my intended output. (do we see a trend here...)
The M8 is also the only camera (and the M9) that gives me images that I consistently look at and say, "wow...i can't believe my image looks like this!" Often I get a very unique look where I feel I can walk right into the photo. There is a depth and drawing with lenses that I cannot get from any dslr or other mirrorless.
The M8 is well worth the money...if you intend on being VERY intentional and knowing what you are doing, and what output result you are after. This camera takes work, but will reward you greatly if you do the work. Much more than any other camera.
This is not a "casual" camera in my experience. Though, I often use it as one for fun family snapshots when I'm not working. (I shoot commercial architecture and panoramic imaging) When I do shoot casually with the M8...i get casual results. They are good, but nothing amazing. You have to do the work for amazing.
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This is why I still use my M8 |
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12-17-2012
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This is why I still use my M8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31276326@N03/8281573560/
I printed this on 17"x27" custom cut Exhibition Fiber. I still cannot believe how well the M8 handles scenes like this.
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M8, 35 1.2 Nokton ISO 640 |
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12-17-2012
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M8, 35 1.2 Nokton ISO 640
I know I linked this on Flickr. I thought I would post it here too. The M8 is great for low light carnival shots. This was taken at the Great Allentown Fair last year.
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12-26-2012
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I have a CV 40/1.4. How would I use this on an M8? Coding, etc.?
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12-26-2012
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I would code it as a pre-asph Summilux 11869
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12-26-2012
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Are you sure Jaap? 11869 is a rare lens with no Leica coding AFAIK.
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12-26-2012
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Quote:
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I have a CV 40/1.4. How would I use this on an M8? Coding, etc.?
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I have no experience with this lens but you might wish to code your Nokton 40/1.4 like a Summilux 35/1.4 asph (011101) as suggested by Carsten Whimster ( http://www.whimster-photography.com/...des/index.html).
I don't know if the flange of the lens must be filed to bring up the 24/35 frames though.
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12-26-2012
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That is a very nice shot eleskin.
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Thanks gdi for nice comments about photo |
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12-26-2012
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Thanks gdi for nice comments about photo
Thank you gdi for your nice comments on this photo. This is the new direction I am taking in my work. Pure Americana with all it's magic and wonder! I regret I did not post this on RFF in higher size and resolution. I have trouble posting in the size I want. RFF is limited. The M8 is still a very powerful toll even today.
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12-26-2012
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By today's standards, the M8 has too many flaws: IR filters needed for proper color rendering, a sensor that attracts dust like a magnet, poor high ISO performance above 640, and a very loud shutter. I have taken some great shots with my M8. I have enjoyed the camera. BUT the Fiji X-Pro1 is vastly superior in many ways. Get a Fuji and don't look back.
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12-26-2012
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Having owned M's 6-9, I have only kept the 7 ........ and an RD1s, which will serve you better in the long run than an M8.
Suerte.
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12-26-2012
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Having been not even a month since selling my m8.2, and I already regret selling it.
It has taken some incredible shots.
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