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CSC : Digital Compact System Cameras - This new category of digital Compact System Cameras with interchangeable lenses was mislabeled for a time as "Mirrorless Cameras" by those forgetting about "Mirrorless" Rangefinder cameras.  Such confusion is easily understandable, since interchangeable rangefinder cameras were only recently introduced in 1932.  hmm.    CSC or Compact System Camera is probably the best category description to date, although I am fond of the old RFF desigation of  CEVIL  indicating Compact Electronic Viewfidner Interchangeable Lens.   This forum is here at RFF because via adapters these cameras offer an inexpensive way to use rangefinder lenses on digital cameras -- in addition of just about every 35mm SLR lens you can think of.  All  offer the photo enthusiast an incredible array of adopted lenses which was not possible before these new digital formats.   This group continues to grow in popularity and new camera models! 

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Old 08-03-2012   #26
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My request: a digital back for my Rolleiflex 2.8F.

Same size as the 120 negative please. Interchangeable with the original back. Storage on SD-card. Battery pack at the rear, so it doesn't interfere with the bottom lock. Simple monochrome LCD at the back for settings only.

Should be pretty easy, since the shutter is a leaf shutter in the lens and does not require any coupling with the back. The back would only need two buttons to make it work with the lens: 'Record' and 'Save'

Anyone build me one?
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Full frame (24x36) digital ... sensor from the D700 would be fine.

Good usable ISO up to 6400 ... as per D700. ^^^

Electronic viewfinder ... like my OM-D. (you can focus it in the dark ~ incredible!)

In camera image stabilization ... like the OM-D.

Somewhere between the size of the D700 and the OM-D. (controls are a little squeezy on the OM-D and the Nikon is a tank)

Built tough
... like the Nikon. (already broke the viewfinder eyecup of the OM-D just getting it out of the camera bag for ****'s sake!)


Is this so much to ask?
the upcoming Fuji X pro 2 ??
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the upcoming Fuji X pro 2 ??
He didn't list it, but he probably wants auto focus too!
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He didn't list it, but he probably wants auto focus too!

No autofocus thanks ... I forgot to mention that!

I thought I was being a little ambitious but reading back through this thread ... maybe not so much!
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My request: a digital back for my Rolleiflex 2.8F.

Same size as the 120 negative please. Interchangeable with the original back. Storage on SD-card. Battery pack at the rear, so it doesn't interfere with the bottom lock. Simple monochrome LCD at the back for settings only.

Should be pretty easy, since the shutter is a leaf shutter in the lens and does not require any coupling with the back. The back would only need two buttons to make it work with the lens: 'Record' and 'Save'

Anyone build me one?
I'd like that too, though I wouldn't like a bulky sensor protruding out of the back.

You can get the Rolleiflex 6008 with a digital back, which has always looked pretty nice to me.
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... can I have a tripod that walks round behind me like a puppy? ... on a serious note


Yes. You need to have a library chair to go underneath it first, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UWwN6fFrU8

And you're sorta confined to the library for now.
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Yes. You need to have a library chair to go underneath it first, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UWwN6fFrU8

And you're sorta confined to the library for now.
Well there you go ... the electric toothbrush started out as a joke in a Si-Fi novel
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Well there you go ... the electric toothbrush started out as a joke in a Si-Fi novel


Considering the fact that tripods have legs and you'd like to take them outdoors, you might also be interested in the walking table.

No motordrive available yet, I'm afraid.

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At least two years ago I brain stormed a conceptual Nikon Digital SP built around (obviously) a SP body with a D700 sensor. At this point in time I would update that dream to a D800 sensor and while dreaming, expect live view, too.

On a practical note, I could be happy with a Leica M9 with the IQ of the D700. I did a test recently of my D700 at ISO 12,800 and got files as good as, if not better than, my M8.2 at ISO 1250.

The sensor in the D700 is phenominal IMO. As good as the little OM-D is when I look closely at the Nikon's files they are quite a leap ahead ... which is to be expected!
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No autofocus thanks ... I forgot to mention that!

I thought I was being a little ambitious but reading back through this thread ... maybe not so much!
Ahh, then maybe an XPro 2 will fit your needs after all...
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Ahh, then maybe an XPro 2 will fit your needs after all...
... Except it won't be full frame (35mm sized sensor).
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We can keep dreaming. But perhaps we can also partition Ricoh to bring out the FF M module. The A12 is their labor of love so I guess they have the least resistance to something along the line. It's hard to see how Fuji/Sony/Samsung/m4/3 would give up their current mirrorless lenses lineup and go for FF.
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Canon 5D stripped down to the base basics.
No LCD display.
1 Turn wheel for shutter speed / P / A mode
Small monochrome lcd for readout off other settings like iso etc.
N0 AF
Different mat glass for best manual focussing

Use with Zeiss lenses..
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A digital Polaroid. Oh wait, they already make one. Gotta go.

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http://cultureandcommunication.org/d...p/Silicon_Film

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Having worked for Texas Instruments for IC and Darlington production I doubt that an efficient masking technology could be developed for spherical surfaces, especially for today's requirements of generally less than 1-micron resolution. Etching could be another substantial issue as depth is to be measured in reference to a plane.

Also, such a curved surface would work fine with lenses of over 45-50 degrees, but what about the teles?

I think this was one of the reasons why the major players were (apparently) cautious in jumping into the mirrorless sector; what the Nex-7 wrt the Nex-5N has pointed to: Offset microlenses seem to be the only solution and not a costly one; however they function well with CCD-cells but not so well with the CMOS.. Certainly there should be a R&D going on in regard to this issue.

Also, pure conventional designs might not work well on the CCD-microlenses too (Biogon 21/4.5 or Summilux 24/1.4 corner smearing or color shift issues.. ) The best design approach is from Fujifilm XP1, totally custom design with huge rear elements however they were to cover only APS-C format.

IMHO, there could be also another factor for this: The future full-size due to AF and size requirements could well be the APS-C size.. Today the APS-C can easily satisfy the ISO-6400 capability, resolution of 24MP (next year most certainly over 30MP) and the lens design for this format could be less problematic than the one for FF.. I think Leica too is working on this format for their future models, we might even see a concept camera in this Photokina. (AF is unavoidable for any company to survive.)
Highlight: For the mass market, yes. or small companies? Not necessarily. Think Alpa. The only question is, how small is a small company?

Otherwise, thanks very much for a clear, informed summary.

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Full frame (24x36) digital ... sensor from the D700 would be fine.

Good usable ISO up to 6400 ... as per D700. ^^^

Electronic viewfinder ... like my OM-D. (you can focus it in the dark ~ incredible!)

In camera image stabilization ... like the OM-D.

Somewhere between the size of the D700 and the OM-D. (controls are a little squeezy on the OM-D and the Nikon is a tank)

Built tough
... like the Nikon. (already broke the viewfinder eyecup of the OM-D just getting it out of the camera bag for ****'s sake!)


Is this so much to ask?

You and me both Keith... That's exactly what I also want... and would be willing to pay for.
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Canon 5D stripped down to the base basics.
No LCD display.
1 Turn wheel for shutter speed / P / A mode
Small monochrome lcd for readout off other settings like iso etc.
N0 AF
Different mat glass for best manual focussing

Use with Zeiss lenses..
Why wouldn't you just buy a 5D and change the focus screen?
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Why wouldn't you just buy a 5D and change the focus screen?
Make it a Les than $2K camera.
Avoid distractions.
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Make it a Les than $2K camera.
Avoid distractions.
I passed a 5d up yesterday for $300 in excellent condition. Would have bought it if I had the money.
It's already pretty much the most basic DSLR you can get - why would you want one without an LCD? You don't have to actually use the LCD - ever, if you don't want to.
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I passed a 5d up yesterday for $300 in excellent condition. Would have bought it if I had the money.
It's already pretty much the most basic DSLR you can get - why would you want one without an LCD? You don't have to actually use the LCD - ever, if you don't want to.
Right, I'm more interested in a camera that doesn't exist at all, for lens mounts that have no current system. I don't see the point of stripping down something that already exists, just ignore the stuff you don't use, it's not that hard. Set the camera up the way you want to and leave it alone.

Also, if you can afford to buy Zeiss lenses in EF mount then you can afford a used 5D pretty easily.
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I want an OM-D with the handling of a Canon G10.
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