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Old 05-06-2012   #26
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Leave it to Roger to trot out this tired canard.

I'm holding a D3x with 50mm in one hand and an M8 with 35 VC in the other. The weight difference is minimal...unless youre a prepubescent girl or you have some bizarre muscle wasting disease.
I've shot weddings with d700/grip and 24-70 lens...and very small wedding with M6/R-D1 (zm 25, 50lux, 35/2)...i personally find the size/weight a sig difference. The lenses on my nikon kit are just humongo, and my neck always is a bit kinked/sore the next day. The balance is quite different too. Whether an m9 is worth the price to you is again...up to the user. People use what they like, move on.

I guess im a prepubescent girl (i hope i dont get creepy PMs now)
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I'm holding a D3x with 50mm in one hand and an M8 with 35 VC in the other.
So, who's doing the typing?
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Leave it to Roger to trot out this tired canard.
Tired old canard? I said, if you're happy, go for it. If not... Not.

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... huge heavy tub of SLR lard instead of a small, light rangefinder camera.
Tub of lard versus camera....gotta love these internet forums. I suppose large format cameras must be truckloads of lard. These are just different tools, for different photo uses and experiences. Period.

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I'd love to see the indisputable evidence for that!

But, there really isn't any, right?
:-)

I guess "large format results" mean the number of pixels? LOL.
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Hey guys,

I worked with my co-workers Amadou and Barney to put that article together in between camera reviews. It was a lot of fun, especially for me and Barney being long time rangefinder users/owners.

I do wish I could own an M9 beyond just a temporary sample unit, but alas, I could never afford it.



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Hey guys,

I worked with my co-workers Amadou and Barney to put that article together in between camera reviews. It was a lot of fun, especially for me and Barney being long time rangefinder users/owners.

I do wish I could own an M9 beyond just a temporary sample unit, but alas, I could never afford it.



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Thank you for the comments.

Just curiousity: Any reason for this "collective" review just a couple of days before the M-Day?
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Hey guys,

I worked with my co-workers Amadou and Barney to put that article together in between camera reviews. It was a lot of fun, especially for me and Barney being long time rangefinder users/owners.

I do wish I could own an M9 beyond just a temporary sample unit, but alas, I could never afford it.



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Thanks for the article Scott, I for one enjoyed it.
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Tub of lard versus camera....gotta love these internet forums. I suppose large format cameras must be truckloads of lard. These are just different tools, for different photo uses and experiences. Period.

Jeff
Dear Jeff,

Well, I quite upset Canon when their big Eos film cameras came out, by saying at the photokina press show that I preferred smaller. lighter cameras so I'd stick with medium format...

Sure, different tools for different applications, Personally, I prefer the smallest, lightest, easiest-to-use camera that will give me the results I want.

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Sure, different tools for different applications, Personally, I prefer the smallest, lightest, easiest-to-use camera that will give me the results I want.

Cheers,

R.
Bingo - if my clients (and myself) like the results; who cares WHAT camera system one uses. I personally would prefer something light but that gets the results. I don't HAVE to carry my D700 kit and lenses to get the results I can get with my Leica kit unless I'm looking towards macro photos - then I'd carry the Fuji X-Pro1 as well

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Sure, buy a huge heavy tub of SLR lard instead of a small, light rangefinder camera. If that suits you, great. If not... well, buy an M9.

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Pulease! .......

Aren't you sick of having to find these superlatives?
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Don't be too hard on all those " the M9 gives inferior IQ to my Canikon D whatever" posters over there. They are simply telling the truth. They need a camera that does their thinking for them to get an acceptable image.
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This thread is a joke surely?

'You've insulted my favorite camera so now I'm going to insult yours!'

Some of the energy that gets put into mud slinging around here amazes me!
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Agreed. This thread has drifted off topic and belongs in another sub-forum.
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With the clear majority of photographers world wide shooting DSLR, P&S, or using the camera on their smartphone, or now their IPADs, I don't find it surprising that a biased response might appear on a photography website that is not rangefinder oriented.

I just returned from a 2 1/2 hours stroll with Peggy through the Kubota garden in south Seattle. Everybody except a few couples strolling through the gardens were using a camera of some type. There were a couple of small groups of people where everyone was using a camera. One things I am sure about, of all the people I observed during the walk, I was the only one using a Leica M camera.

I have read DP reviews but have never read through many of the threads. As someone mentioned above they have a different approach in their discussions.

Certainly the folks over here at RFF are a heck of a lot nicer.
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It's all kabuki.
Yeah, but real kabuki is more entertaining than internet fights.

This why I don't post on dpreview anymore. I'll go there to look up specs and other non-subjective information info on a camera.

If somebody can afford it and it makes them happy, then buy a Leica. If somebody doesn't like my camera, it says more about their failings than it says about me.
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it just means less people to drive up the used price.

I do find it funny, though, that many who would call a Leica a snob camera have lenses with a red/gold ring on them just so that everyone knows you spent the "big bucks" on your gear.
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Another here who doesn't mind DP Reviews but stays clear of their forums. I can't really understand getting all bitter and twisted about what some say about a camera. This thread has been entertaining in a sandbox fight sorta way from some of the posts.

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Wow, all of Canon were upset because you didn't like their camera. Impressive.

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Of course Canon would want positive reactions from any influential members of the photographic press; you can be sure they would have preferred one from Roger that day.
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there are much cheaper devices producing better image quality than the M9.
In someone else's hands or in yours? You only ever need to consider the latter.
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Yeah, but real kabuki is more entertaining than internet fights.
Too true.

As a silly aside, YouTube got a *lot* more bearable to visit when I installed Herp Derp YouTube, from http://www.tannr.com/herp-derp-youtube-comments/ . All the inane comments (and YouTube is, by far, the worst site on the internet as far as stupid comments go) get transformed into "herp derp": every comment section goes from a soul-crushing story of Man's inhumanity to Man, to a pleasantly surreal non-sequitur.

I'd love it if it worked for dpreview.com, too.
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No sure what you mean.
I mean that just use whatever works best for you, and don't worry about other people's needs because they will be different than yours.

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Shoot over ISO 400 with an M9 and any full-frame camera available at the time of the M9's release (in anyone's hands), compare the output and get back to me.
I don't have an M9 to shoot, but I would love to do this experiment. Not sure why I would need to get back to you about it, though.
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Slagging Leica is an age-old sport, it seems. Dunno how much of it is "sour grapes" because they can't afford one, and how much of it is what might be called reverse snob appeal.

But it's also a trend I note whenever a new camera comes out....sooner or later there will be a whole bunch of posts bitching about how they got their hands on the camera, and what a POS it is because of this, of that, etc.,etc......

Saw it with the Zeiss Ikon. Waiting for it with the XP1..and with the EM-5...
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Some people (including many on DPR) just don't get that a certain segment of photographers are completely happy with the spartan feature set that a Leica RF provides. Trying to change their attitudes is roughly akin to teaching beets to sing…
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As already noted, there is a subtle irony to some of the posts in this thread - there's a undercurrent of scorn for certain digital systems here at RFF. (Nikon 1, anyone?) Pot, meet kettle.
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