Leica+Fuji?
Old 05-06-2012   #1
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Leica+Fuji?

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I was just looking on the Fuji site when I saw this banner:



X mount 35mm on the way? If I wasn't so bad with money, I'd be saving for it right now
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Old 05-06-2012   #2
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Is that the adapter in the upper right corner? Why would it need those electronic contacts?
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Is that the adapter in the upper right corner? Why would it need those electronic contacts?
6-bit code reader might it be?
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Oh wow. If fuji's adapter is going to have six-bit contacts, that could be very interesting.
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What on earth are they up to? Are they actually going to make this M mount adapter thing work properly?
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Old 05-06-2012   #6
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Using the optical codes may still be protected by a patent, so I'm hoping that the contacts are for the distance sensor. And that the next revision of the camera has some (more) use for them.
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The image suggests to me that perhaps they have actually licensed the technology from Leica. It could certainly benefit both companies.
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Oh wow, this is interesting.
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This would make a lot of sense - The Kipon adapter, while it works just fine imho, is still "just the Kipon adapter" - that is, since Fuji is making an M-mount adapter (we all knew this when the camera was announced) it would have to have some other benefits to it otherwise the Kipon adapter would just be the "Fuji" adapter but likely less expensive.

What I mean by this is; Fuji's m-mount adapter will likely cost a bit more money than the Kipon currently is priced at. Even now there's a knock off of the Kipon adapter floating around on Ebay at even less money than Kipon's are priced at! So, Fuji has to bring to the table something else other than the basic adapter - don't know what that will be but it's clear it will be something that may warrant people dumping the third party adapters to head towards Fuji's version.

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I always was under the impression that Fuji's adapter was going to be "smart". If it was just a block of metal that was a mount for M lenses, I am certain it would have been released a long time ago.
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Short time ago I read (don't remember where) that Fuji is planning to position itself at same level of the 2 biggest japanese camera producers. Probably they cannot (or do not desire) compete on the same playground where competitors are already more or less well established and therefore they try an innovative way, a modern no rf no reflex camera, innovative sensor etc etc. Following this logic an "innovative" adapter like a smart adapter could be in the logic, which could also be the reason for which it took time to engineer and produce it.
Just my opinion, anyway even if I do not own an xpro1 (yet?) I'm sparing some money for a possible purchase...
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The electrical contacts are a great tease. So is not showing about 60% of the ring.

I think I'm going to vote the contacts are for a focus cam interface.
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What I mean by this is; Fuji's m-mount adapter will likely cost a bit more money than the Kipon currently is priced at. Even now there's a knock off of the Kipon adapter floating around on Ebay at even less money than Kipon's are priced at! So, Fuji has to bring to the table something else other than the basic adapter - don't know what that will be but it's clear it will be something that may warrant people dumping the third party adapters to head towards Fuji's version.

Cheers,
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Still my expectations! Together with an intelligent adapter Fuji could offer one or more of these half-baked ideas- Of course most of it requires a software update:
  • EVF focus assist (peak? other?)
  • menu item storing a few lens EXIF data like: LensMake, LensModel, LensInfo, FocalLength...
  • knowing the FocalLenght could reset the OVF frame lines to the correct displacement
  • focussing cam readout?
  • knowing the manual focus lens position could lead to well... at least interesting possiblities, having also the metered AF distance of a selected AF point to compare with...

Ok, I stop dreaming. At least I keep quiet!
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Old 05-06-2012   #15
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Exciting indeed. This is like Nintendo going 16-bit type exciting.
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I think I'm going to vote the contacts are for a focus cam interface.
If they do that I'm selling my GXR
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...and this thread only a few days before the 10th of M
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Black. The camera only comes in Black.
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We need to see the lens side of the adapter. I'd also guess (probably wrong) that there will be 6 bit coding.
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Old 05-06-2012   #20
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The electrical contacts are a great tease. So is not showing about 60% of the ring.

I think I'm going to vote the contacts are for a focus cam interface.
This would be absolutely amazing. With the fuji 35 and it's aperture chatter and slow focus, this will be a life saver.
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Old 05-06-2012   #21
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I don't think that can be six bit coding, can it? It's an optical system and those look like electrical contacts...

I'm curious.

Edited to say -- oh, but that's the camera side -- I guess it could have a reader on the lens side & translate that to electrical information on the camera side. And would have to. Duh.
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This would be absolutely amazing. With the fuji 35 and it's aperture chatter and slow focus, this will be a life saver.
Since firmware adjustment... aperture chatter is in the past.
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Oh wow. If fuji's adapter is going to have six-bit contacts, that could be very interesting.
Not to fuel the speculation, but contacts could be:

1. Six-bit coding, reading the frameline lug position, or some way of transmitting a manually set focal length into the camera.

2. Output from a simple distance encoder (feeding the DOF scale). This does not seem tremendously likely given the shallow depth of a Leica to X adapter.

3. A way for the camera to know that an M lens is attached and to adjust the color shifts/vignetting/etc.

Or it could be all of them. Or none. The inclusion of an X-mount with contacts in the picture might just be a graphic design decision.

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The electrical contacts are a great tease. So is not showing about 60% of the ring.
FWIW, here is another image showing almost the whole line of contacts.
http://fujifilm-x.com/accessories/ja/m/
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Not to fuel the speculation, but contacts could be:

1. Six-bit coding, reading the frameline lug position, or some way of transmitting a manually set focal length into the camera.

2. Output from a simple distance encoder (feeding the DOF scale). This does not seem tremendously likely given the shallow depth of a Leica to X adapter.

3. A way for the camera to know that an M lens is attached and to adjust the color shifts/vignetting/etc.

Or it could be all of them. Or none. The inclusion of an X-mount with contacts in the picture might just be a graphic design decision.

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The other two are not that "exciting" however the #2; assuming they would employ a sort of transducer in the adapter to convert the focusing cam height into an analog drive signal to operate something similar to a rangefinder for example.. but they did not provide anything for it; no provision in the design, only a CDAF-circuitry with a confirmation signal in the finder.. (Weird..)
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3. A way for the camera to know that an M lens is attached and to adjust the color shifts/vignetting/etc.

And to engage 'glow' mode!
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I would be happy if all it did was detect that the focus ring was moved and then automatically engauged some form of focus assist (go to evf/enlarge or peaking, go back to ovf when you stopped). That would go a long way to making it usable. Anything else would be an absolute bonus.
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Please... please also:

Adjust the EVF info (frame lines etc) brightness depending on the subject brightness.

The EVF is mostly useless outside with M lenses at the moment.
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I'd be happy if Fuji released a ETA for this product. The old ETA has come and gone.
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Please... please also:

Adjust the EVF info (frame lines etc) brightness depending on the subject brightness.

The EVF is mostly useless outside with M lenses at the moment.
Do you mean OVF? EVF doesn't have frame lines... If you do actually mean OVF, you have to turn on or off a certain mode - it may be labelled as something like "shoot without lens" or something (I don't own the camera myself so can't check), but it will make the framelines go to normal brightness with an adapted lens.

Or so I believe.
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Do you mean OVF? EVF doesn't have frame lines... If you do actually mean OVF, you have to turn on or off a certain mode - it may be labelled as something like "shoot without lens" or something (I don't own the camera myself so can't check), but it will make the framelines go to normal brightness with an adapted lens.

Or so I believe.
no mine is dim outdoors as well with the adapter, I've tried everything
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I wonder if they will add any way to correct for cyan corners, smeary corners? I agree -- a very interesting development.
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Lots of excitement here, but there is nothing here to indicate anything specific. The graphic designer could have just included the back of an x-mount lens, as Dante mentioned.
I'm not so sure that Fujifilm would be that stupid. I'm not saying you guys are wrong (it's a good point), but if they did this, there will be plenty of pissed off people.
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Fuji has to step it up with its adapter... if they just bring out another metal ring, they've already missed the boat. Of course, Fuji controls firmware updates, so they can choose to expand its manual focus capabilities at the same time its adapter is introduced. .
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It is debatable that Leica glass will perform any better than the already superb Fuji glass.
Right, that's true certainly. The only reason I'm even interested is to add focal lengths... since Fuji only offers three.
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They definitely will make a lot of people happy if it's a smart adapter. It is debatable that Leica glass will perform any better than the already superb Fuji glass.
Not to step on any toes, but this one.

The only real improvement I see with the inclusion of M glass is real manual focusing, but that will only really be an improvement with some sort of focus confirmation addition.
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The curious thing about the contact points in the graphic is that they are embedded in a black metal ring. The rings in which both the Fuji XF lens and the XP1 body are embedded are silver. Does anybody have a body or a lens that is not like that?

Hence, the contacts shown in the M mount adapter promo ad are either pure graphic design fiction, or else a photo of the actual adapter.

The former seems implausible to me. It's just impossible to imagine that there was no project manager for the team of which the graphic designer/web layout people were part.

In this post from a couple of months ago (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...52#post1827852) I had already speculated on the delay in the release of the official Fuji M mount adapter. We'll find out soon enough.
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Well, if the picture on the right is legit, than there is definitely something to expect. It would be an awe full lot of contacts if it was only for 6-bit coding. I think they somehow really managed to put a potentiometer or something into that adapter that reads out the distance setting format he lens. If they do that, i will probably be the happiest person on earth.
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When does the fuji adapter for Contax G lenses come out??
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Do you mean OVF? EVF doesn't have frame lines... If you do actually mean OVF, you have to turn on or off a certain mode - it may be labelled as something like "shoot without lens" or something (I don't own the camera myself so can't check), but it will make the framelines go to normal brightness with an adapted lens.

Or so I believe.
sorry.... complete brain fade..... I meant OVF
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