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04-22-2012
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E. D. Russell Roberts
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TLR´s in general can be addictive. I´d still like to add another 5-6 cameras to my 4 or 5. An MPP Microflex, an Autocord, a Ricohmatic 225, a Walzflex IIIa, an Ikoflex 1b, an Ariesflex IV, a Voigtländer Superb (Skopar), a Mamiyaflex Automatic A, an Olympusflex B1 (2.8 75mm Zuiko!), an Ansco Automatic Reflex..... - Ok, maybe a few more than another 5 or 6. Still haven´t mentioned other Rollei models. Ah well, when the lottery numbers go my way...
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04-22-2012
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Originally Posted by Lax Jought
I have a question - what's the difference between the image taken with a decent TLR vs an image taken with a Hasselblad, assuming the same film is used? Would it come down to the quality of the lens?
(Putting aside minor issues like parallax.)
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http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/test/fourcameras.html
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04-23-2012
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Originally Posted by RObert Budding
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hey thanks for the link Robert, I'm about half way through it, it's an interesting read so far, well written. So far so good between the TLR and the Hasselblad with some 'minor' differences......
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04-23-2012
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Wow surprising conclusion. I won't reveal it for those who want to read it through themselves.
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04-23-2012
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Originally Posted by memphis
just emailed dave some pics from my rollei......
lets see if he can resist
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Ha! Thanks as those are more fuel to the fire...
However, my wallet is too thin, so resistance is not futile.  Too many diagnostic tests and medical bills coming up in the next several months will insure that a TLR thread like this will be as close as I get.
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04-23-2012
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http://ericjenks.zenfolio.com/rolleiland
All shots from my Rolleiflex. Take a trip through your local junk shops dave. I found my beauty for $40. I've actually bought two Rolleiflexes (one MX-EVS, the other a K4B type 2 from 1945) for $40 now.
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04-23-2012
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Over Exposed
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Here's another to tempt you. This is mine...
Untitled by Bobfrance, on Flickr
...they're not to be underestimated, it saw off all my Leica kit.
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04-23-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobfrance
Here's another to tempt you. This is mine...
Untitled by Bobfrance, on Flickr
...they're not to be underestimated, it saw off all my Leica kit.
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Temptation...
Yes! 
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04-23-2012
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My M5s need red dots!
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I really wish I had one... When I stayed in Texas, a fellow RFFer (Andy, cannot recall his forum name) let me hold his Rolleiflex. Used as I was to the Mamiya C220, this one was incredibly light... and the viewfinder was a wonder of wonders.
Occasionally, I look into eBay listings and KEH's... but I tell myself that I did sell my one and only TLR because I didn't use it.
Best of luck resisting the lure! 
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04-23-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudman
http://ericjenks.zenfolio.com/rolleiland
All shots from my Rolleiflex. Take a trip through your local junk shops dave. I found my beauty for $40. I've actually bought two Rolleiflexes (one MX-EVS, the other a K4B type 2 from 1945) for $40 now.
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The last half dozen trips made to junk shops, thrift stores, etc. have yield only junk. I did find an Argus C3 in apparently good condition with a case but they wanted $45 a year ago and the old goat running the store would not come down on it last month, claiming it was a collector's item now that they don't make film cameras anymore.  Idiots abound.
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04-23-2012
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Originally Posted by Brad Bireley
The one camera that I will never sell is my Minolta Autocord!
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Me, too!. Actually all three of them
I played with Rolleiflexes and the E is no bigger that the Autocord. But, I prefer Autocord's bay I tessar, the film path, the focus lever, the lighter weight and (especially) the cost!! Even if I get a Rollei someday, I do not see me getting three for spares. Took mine apart, adjusted, added new screen, re-cover. Never let me down.
Biggest problem I had in my quest for the magic-bullet was the many abused Rolleis sold by dishonest sellers online. But, I admit, if one is looking for inspiration, the rollei has quality that is hard to resist. Especially if money is no object.
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04-23-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lax Jought
I have a question - what's the difference between the image taken with a decent TLR vs an image taken with a Hasselblad, assuming the same film is used? Would it come down to the quality of the lens?
(Putting aside minor issues like parallax.)
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None technically, you might find a TLR is less intimidating because it makes little noise, a Hasselblad makes a loud noise. You can change the lenses on a hassy but generally not on a TLR. A Hasselblad you buy because it's a system camera. I doubt anyone could look at a couple of prints and say wether they were taken with a TLR or Hasselblad.
It comes down to what you want out of a camera.
Kevin.
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04-23-2012
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Gerry
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I got this about 1 hour ago. I've had Yashica, Ricoh (Diacord L), R'cords (V & Vb), R'flexes(MX, MX-EVS & 2.8E Planar) tlr's and I've got to say, this Kalloflex is one serious machine!! I'll test it later today, but it seems every bit the equal in construction to the 2.8E I had. If it shoots like it looks I'll be a happy camper. I've wanted one of these for a long time.
Oh yes; Thanks to David Murphy for making it available.
Gerry
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04-23-2012
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E. D. Russell Roberts
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerry M
I got this about 1 hour ago. I've had Yashica, Ricoh (Diacord L), R'cords (V & Vb), R'flexes(MX, MX-EVS & 2.8E Planar) tlr's and I've got to say, this Kalloflex is one serious machine!! I'll test it later today, but it seems every bit the equal in construction to the 2.8E I had. If it shoots like it looks I'll be a happy camper. I've wanted one of these for a long time.
Oh yes; Thanks to David Murphy for making it available.
Gerry
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Congratulations indeed
I´m more than happy with mine, and I have a 2.8E3 to compare it to too.
Mine was a bit rough when I got it.
Kalloflex by Eirik0304, on Flickr
But a lens and shutter clean, a bit of elbow polish and and new leatherette later and hey presto.
Two tone Kallo by Eirik0304, on Flickr
And to think that this is the first camera Kowa ever built, talk about doing your research before taking the leap!
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RF: Leica M4-2 | Royal 35-M | Polaroid Land 250 | Polaroid 110A/600SE hybrid
VF: DIY 4x5 | DIY 6x17 | Voigtländer Vito CL | Foth Derby | Welta Weltix
SLR: Kowa Super 66 | Pentax SP1000
TLR: Rolleiflex 2.8E3 | Flexaret Va | Kalloflex K2
CSC: Fuji X-E1
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04-23-2012
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Gerry
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Ezzie, Nice job on restoring. I really like the green leather.
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04-23-2012
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E. D. Russell Roberts
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Thank you. I like it too. I recovered an R-D1 in a slightly lighter shade of green a while back, and thought green on black really does work. From now on, its my colour of preference for black cameras. Next up is a Polaroid 110A when I get round to converting it to 4x5.
Good luck with yours. The Prominar is a Tessar clone, and is very capable.
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RF: Leica M4-2 | Royal 35-M | Polaroid Land 250 | Polaroid 110A/600SE hybrid
VF: DIY 4x5 | DIY 6x17 | Voigtländer Vito CL | Foth Derby | Welta Weltix
SLR: Kowa Super 66 | Pentax SP1000
TLR: Rolleiflex 2.8E3 | Flexaret Va | Kalloflex K2
CSC: Fuji X-E1
My Flickr
Silver Halides - Pictures in B&W
My homepage
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04-23-2012
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dave lackey is offline
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
Congratulations indeed
I´m more than happy with mine, and I have a 2.8E3 to compare it to too.
Mine was a bit rough when I got it.
Kalloflex by Eirik0304, on Flickr
But a lens and shutter clean, a bit of elbow polish and and new leatherette later and hey presto.
Two tone Kallo by Eirik0304, on Flickr
And to think that this is the first camera Kowa ever built, talk about doing your research before taking the leap!
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VERY nice looking Kallo...that green is quite elegant! 
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04-23-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lax Jought
I have a question - what's the difference between the image taken with a decent TLR vs an image taken with a Hasselblad, assuming the same film is used? Would it come down to the quality of the lens?
(Putting aside minor issues like parallax.)
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Yep as far as the picture is concerned the lens is the only difference. 
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05-04-2012
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Ain't Right In The Head
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Bireley
The one camera that I will never sell is my Minolta Autocord!
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I just got mine back from Karl Bryan, and I couldn't agree more! I may sell my Rolleicord Vb as I prefer the way the Minolta handles, and I really like what the lens does. Magic,
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05-05-2012
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Originally Posted by Zathros
... as I prefer the way the Minolta handles, and I really like what the lens does. Magic,
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Yes, we can see the magic in your avatar! 
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