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Old 03-06-2011   #41
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Kind of like saying is Beethoven better than Mozart. I really enjoy my Retinas (Ia and IIa) and my Barnack Leicas (IIIf and IIIf). I think the Schneider 50mm F2 shades the Elmar 3.5 a bit, and is better than the Summar 2.0. The Summarit 1.5 (stopped down) and the Summitar 2.0 are better, though. The Retinas actually go out with me more often, though - they fit a lot better in a pocket.
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Old 03-07-2011   #42
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Yes zone focussing is definitely an option as the two 35mm lenses have f4 and f5.6 minimum aperture.
I see that my Retina-Curtar 5,6/35 has a zone-focus mark close to 3 meters on the DOF-scale. If you set the focus there on the wide-angle focus scale (on the bottom of the focus ring on the camera) the DOF will be enough from 1,75 meters to infinity if you use aperture 11. It would work nicely for street shots if you use a fast film.
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Old 03-12-2011   #43
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Could someone advise about Retina CLA's?
Prices and places?
Chris Sherlock has CLA'd my IIIS and IIIC--excellent work and quick turnaround. Not cheap, though--at the current exchange rates, a CLA for a IIIS is over $180.00, plus shipping to New Zealand. Here's his repair and price page:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~Srawhiti/KodakRetinaRepairService.html

Prices for the folders (IIa to IIIC) are about $120 at current exchange rates. Chris pays the return shipping on all work.

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Old 05-04-2011   #44
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My vote is irrelevant having never even touched a piece of Leica equipment, but I do love my Retina IIa.
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Old 05-04-2011   #45
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I love the name 'Retina' .... that alone makes me want to own one eventually!

'Barnack' ... ugly word!

'Screwmount' ... sounds like something you'd find in a hardware store!
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Old 05-04-2011   #46
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I've always wanted to try one out, the IIIC mostly because of the huge viewer.

I don't believe we have a "Show Us Your Retina" thread here. Perhaps it's time to create one.
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Old 05-04-2011   #47
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I'd post my little II (model 142) + some 'vintage' photos from it
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Old 05-07-2011   #48
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I've got a Retina IIIC (big C) inherited from my Grandfather- he sure had good taste. I've bought and sold many cameras- this is one that I will never sell, and not just for the sentimental value. I love shooting with it, the Xenon 50 f2 produces a nice look, love the almost silent shutter sound, big bright rangefinder, meter (mine is still accurate) and compact folding size. My only gripes would be the weight (they're a hefty beast), and handling can be a bit awkward... But I'd shoot a Retina over a Barnack any day....
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Old 08-02-2011   #49
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I don't own a Leica, but have a Zorki 1. It doesn't even come close to what my IIIC has in looks and personallity, but then that's where they are the least alike anyway. As mentioned before by many others, you can't beat the Retina viewfinder, especially the IIIC, with the framelines for all three lenses and it's larger viewport (which will also take a right-angle viewer). But I have issues with the ergonomics of it.

Not much to grasp with the right hand, the EV system of exposure with it's hard to change locking lever, and Heaven forbid you should forget to reset the frame counter. I don't consider the interchangable lens elements as any kind of advantage when you have to recalibrate your focus with every shot. And why a plastic hood? I wonder how many of those got crushed in someones pocket. Must have been a conspiracy with the plastics suppliers for Kodak to go that route.

But the IIIC is such a lovely camera, even with all it's quirks. If the meter was working on mine, I would probably shoot it more, but I have other choices. Sure, the Zorki doesn't have a meter, but it sure is easier to use Sunny 16 on than the Retina.

I'm thinking of letting the old girl go, since I'm not going to be able to give it the work it needs to keep it happy (you reading, Keith?). But it was one of the cameras I had lusted after for a long time, and I came across mine in such a surprising way. And did I mention it's just gorgeous to look at, and to hold? And the sound of the shutter! Sigh...

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Old 08-30-2011   #50
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I bought my IIa a couple of weeks ago and have put a couple of rolls through it and I love it. Lens is awesome and loading is a breeze. Is a little small for me without using the 1/2 case but perfect with it. There is a IIIc that I am looking at in the local market here because I am sold on Retinas.
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Old 12-11-2011   #51
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I sold my IIa. Great camera, but my Ia w/ Ektar lens just blew it away in IQ. Scale focusing is really easy, and since you have to look at the camera from the front to set the speeds and aperture anyway, it takes but a few extra seconds to set the distance. Since I got my Nikon SLR w/ Leica lenses going I never shoot it anymore though. I like not having to take a hand held meter w/ me.
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I have two hang-ups about the Retina IIIC. One is it's ergonomics, and the other is the ridiculous interchangable front elements. The second I can just ignore, but the first I have to live with. That said, (even though I own a Zorki) I cannot bring myself to look through the viewfinder anymore on the old Russian. I even went to the trouble of getting a nice I-26M so I could change apertures while using filters, and I still can't stand the viewfinder. And when you think about the pocketability of the Retina (it even closes with a filter attached), I'm sold.

But wait until I get the Yashica YF repaired. Then the Retina may have a hard time getting in the que.

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I came across a as-is IIa on ebay and picked it up. The cameras basically shot (which matches what I paid for it : ) but it cured me of my IIa interest. It isn't that much smaller than the IIIc and surprisingly, the IIIc works a bit better for me. It would become a repair project but the glass is shot. Its almost like the lubricant migrated to the glass and then etched it, though that doesn't make sense. For $10 though, I may take it apart and try to get the shutter working more reliably for fun. Otherwise it will go back to ebay with a more accurate description.

Inspired by a recent Retina thread, I finally spent some time cleaning oil off of the shutter leaves which was causing the IIIc to hang. Also took the opportunity to clean the all of the elements. Almost done shooting the first roll with it. Forgot how much I like this camera.
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Old 02-26-2012   #54
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Just shot a short roll to test a recently acquired Retina II. To my eyes the Xenon 50/2 is on par with my Summitar. I just wish I can get inside the combined VF/RF which is a bit cloudy.
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Old 03-15-2012   #55
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My Retina IIIc, believe it or not, has the best rf I've used thus far, and I've tried quite a few fixed lens rf's. Although I can't compare to a Barnack. This is the small c variant. While it doesn't have the largest view finder, it's quite clear and the white diamond patch is extremely easy to see in the bright sun or indoors.

It's easier to use than my Vitomatic IIa with it's 1:1 viewfinder, because it has a tendency to flare which makes it difficult to see the yellow circle patch.

I did try an M3 one time but that particular sample simply sucked. Sorry, wasn't at all impressed.

I guess every camera has it's own idiosyncrasies.

I'd love to try a Barnack though. That old glass looks wonderful.
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Old 03-17-2012   #56
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My Retina IIIc, ...easier to use than my Vitomatic IIa with it's 1:1 viewfinder, because it has a tendency to flare which makes it difficult to see the yellow circle patch....
exactly...almost.
i am using two Vitomatic IIIb, bought from different seller, both needed a pro's cleaning to restore the VF.
i found that one of them "has a tendency to flare which makes it difficult to see the yellow circle patch", the other is better.
so my suspect is that the comparison of A camera and B camera may not be all fair, due to the conditions of the specimens.
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Old 03-17-2012   #57
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I perfer the Retina IIIC to any other 35mm Folding cameras. I have Voigtlander IIA, Several Zeiss ikon, including the Contessa. Among them the Retina is not the most expensive one but the best one.

On the other hand, Leica iiic is a totally different system, a totally different generation of cameras.

I will select IIIc between this two.
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Old 03-17-2012   #58
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and I agree, the IIIC's VF is much bigger than a IIIC.
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I got my first Retina a IIa but the RF patch is faint so it is hard to focus. I assume this is not normal. Can it be fixed and who can do it?
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Old 05-01-2012   #60
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I got my first Retina a IIa but the RF patch is faint so it is hard to focus. I assume this is not normal. Can it be fixed and who can do it?
have you tried Uncle Tat of Panda? since you are in HK.
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Old 05-20-2012   #61
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I don't think is is really fair to compare the two, because they are not in the same price range...
Here in Europe:
Retina IIa / 50mm f2 30€ - 100€
Barnack Leica + any 50 f3.5 or f2 >200€. And you can have a scratched lens, a shutter with holes and a shot up RF at that price if you are not careful...
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I don't think is is really fair to compare the two, because they are not in the same price range...
Here in Europe:
Retina IIa / 50mm f2 30€ - 100€
Barnack Leica + any 50 f3.5 or f2 >200€. And you can have a scratched lens, a shutter with holes and a shot up RF at that price if you are not careful...
I disagree..

Kodak introduced the Retina camera to compete with the screw Leica..
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Old 06-13-2012   #63
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Rayt, here's a tutorial on cleaning the viewfinders on the Retinas. It's a little tricky, but it's doable.

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~Srawhit...stripdown.html

and a more detailed drawing of the advance lever parts is here

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~Srawhit...na1alever.html

Just click on the HOME page in the top right of the links to get to Chris's full info page.
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If you thought to compete a Retina with a Leica you should think about the III S
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Chris Sherlock has CLA'd my IIIS and IIIC--excellent work and quick turnaround. Not cheap, though--at the current exchange rates, a CLA for a IIIS is over $180.00, plus shipping to New Zealand. Here's his repair and price page:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~Srawhiti/KodakRetinaRepairService.html

Prices for the folders (IIa to IIIC) are about $120 at current exchange rates. Chris pays the return shipping on all work.
Chirs made my III S and the lenses - the best investment I made ever!!!
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As I am primarily a 120 shooter now I recently gave up my M6Ti to help finance an 903SWC. Reason I could do that easily is because I have a IIa and IIIc for 35mm. Also have a Rollei 35 and 35S.
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Barnack, barnack,barnack ...Barnacks are Sublime
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If the film is already loaded, I'd take the Barnack. If not I'd take the Retina.
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If the film is already loaded, I'd take the Barnack. If not I'd take the Retina.
Touche' on that comment - I've done both and stayed loyal to a couple of Barnacks - mainly because of the size of the later Retina IIIC, ease of focusing with a Barnack and the ability to choose my own optics.

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So as someone with a bunch of Retinas... any favorites of the series? What are the biggest differences to you?

I have a IIIc (little c). I love it but it makes me curious about the others, particularly the IIa which people seem to love.
Not surprisingly the IIa is still my favorite. It fits my pocket better than a c and simply feels more comfortable to use. If I think I'm going to be changing lenses I take the Leica II which I recently picked up. Surprisingly (to me) my 119 is a close second. It is the most compact camera I have and with asa 200 film there is seldom a need for going over 3.5.
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The Barnack-Leica IIIa for the "feel" and the Retina IIIc to take photos.
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I just bought a retina lllc with Heligon lens. I used to have a lla (twice, different times).

I need to load it but would love to clean the viewfinder first as it's quite dirty. The RF patch is okay.
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I love my Retina IIa but prefer my IIIs - I just had a russian Barnack copy for a short time and never liked the finder and the way it feels in my hand - that's why I didn't bought a real Barnack.
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I have owned several Barnacks and recently got my first Retina (a IIIc). Each comes complete with its' own set of quirks which are accepted by fans. The Barnacks will always be a true interchangeable lens rangefinder camera, the Retina is mostly limited to the 50mm. I did try using the 80mm Schneider, just once, I applaud anyone using the Kodak interchangeable lenses. On the Barnacks I have tried collapsable Elmars and tiny Summarons but the Retina is truly a camera you can drop in a jacket pocket. I like the diamond shape of the rangefinder patch and have learned the trick of focusing with my glasses on then taking them off to frame. Most days when I head out on a walk, the Retina is slipped into a pocket along with a Sekonic 308s. In the month or so since picking up the Retina, it is quickly becoming a constant companion. The irony being there is a perfectly fine camera built into the iPhone in my pocket but the Retina makes taking pictures more fun. No camera is perfect but it's the one you have with you is the best one there is.
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.......In the month or so since picking up the Retina, it is quickly becoming a constant companion. The irony being there is a perfectly fine camera built into the iPhone in my pocket but the Retina makes taking pictures more fun......
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