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Old 04-05-2012   #241
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I have one Leica lens in my safe (the rest of them are in my camera bag) but the safe is full of antique Winchesters, Spanish shotguns, hunting rifles, and a 22 Sauer Mosquito for fun. Oh, I have a Sauer 228 next to the bed for "varmints."
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See, and at this point, where two guys start having an exchange about what automatic asssult rifle "type" they are, it begins to strike me as completely bizarre.

Maybe when people grow up in a culture that embraces violence, and they have a disposition to be a gearhead, they have a higher probability to end up being gun nerds and thinking of themselves as "marksmen".
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Maybe when people grow up in a culture that embraces violence, and they have a disposition to be a gearhead, they have a higher probability to end up being gun nerds and thinking of themselves as "marksmen".
And maybe when people make broad-based insults and assumptions about people whom they know nothing about, and they have an inclination to play armchair psychologist, they tend to have a higher probability of coming off as boorish and offensive.
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See, and at this point, where two guys start having an exchange about what automatic asssult rifle "type" they are, it begins to strike me as completely bizarre.

Maybe when people grow up in a culture that embraces violence, and they have a disposition to be a gearhead, they have a higher probability to end up being gun nerds and thinking of themselves as "marksmen".
Countries where guns are allowed do not necessarily embrace violence. Ask Switzerland, Isreal and others where guns are not only allowed, but issued to trained adults.. As a Texan, I grew up in the US where guns are allowed for several reasons: to protect our country against invaders when our government cannot, to protect individuals against our government and, to put food on the table, and for self protection. I learned to shoot long before I learned to photograph. Live in peace and freedom.
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And maybe when people make broad-based insults and assumptions about people whom they know nothing about, and they have an inclination to play armchair psychologist, they tend to have a higher probability of coming off as boorish and offensive.
Well, "gearhead" is hardly an insult on a site like this; and gun nerd - well having a preference among various automatic rifles IMHO qualifies and is also hardly an insult. And for the culture that embraces violence, just turn on the TV. Care to elaborate which of the three you found offensive to you in particular?
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Switzerland and Israel ... liberal pussies, they're still clinging on to the "well regulated militia" bit, geez ... no mixing beer and guns! what's that all about?
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They like to keep their own feet intact? Why bother if you only drive...

As it happens, a long time ago I had a lot to do with smallarms - almost always for purposes of employment, firstly inside the military then not. Never, ever, mixed with alcohol. I applied a firearms version of the 12-hour-bottle-to-throttle rule used in aviation. I was in circumstances (especially on the civilian side) where that wasn't a legal requirement. But it was my requirement. OK, so I was a bore (don't even ask small-bore vs large-bore; just a bore). But I don't limp. And don't suffer from worse. I've met people who do, directly from not applying a similar rule. I'm thankful I've not met anyone who has injured another for that reason, though I'm aware all too many have.

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As it happens, a long time ago I had a lot to do with smallarms - almost always for purposes of employment, firstly inside the military then not. Never, ever, mixed with alcohol. I applied a firearms version of the 12-hour-bottle-to-throttle rule used in aviation. I was in circumstances (especially on the civilian side) where that wasn't a legal requirement. But it was my requirement. OK, so I was a bore (don't even ask small-bore vs large-bore; just a bore). But I don't limp. And don't suffer from worse. I've met people who do, directly from not applying a similar rule. I'm thankful I've not met anyone who has injured another for that reason, though I'm aware all too many have.

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Ah, sorry, I forgot they abolished satire when Henry Kissinger got the Nobel peace prize ...
Sorry if I came across a bit po-faced. That should have been two posts, but I let one idea run on after the other. Possibly due the combination of whiskey, and, well, I'm not quite sure what. The first sentence - if left by itself - might have been more the right mood.

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Mate, that was when satire was revived!

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Sorry if I came across a bit po-faced. That should have been two posts, but I let one idea run on after the other. Possibly due the combination of whiskey, and, well, I'm not quite sure what. The first sentence - if left by itself - might have been more the right mood.

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Well, "gearhead" is hardly an insult on a site like this; and gun nerd - well having a preference among various automatic rifles IMHO qualifies and is also hardly an insult. And for the culture that embraces violence, just turn on the TV. Care to elaborate which of the three you found offensive to you in particular?
I was not insulted one iota by your comment. Gear head and gun nerd are indeed that same the only difference being one is related to cameras and the other to guns. So yes I am both. I hardly think of Canada of an overtly violent country, there are less violent and more violent I suppose. I don't think/hope we will ever get to the point of having to dodge IEDs as a routine lifestyle. So I am not so sure about your point on violent TV shows. Anyway, you have your POV and I have mine. I will agree to disagree, to argue or insult would be pointless.

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Ah, sorry, I forgot they abolished satire when Henry Kissinger got the Nobel peace prize ...
I'd think it was a regal endorsement. Of satire.
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Well, ... And for the culture that embraces violence, just turn on the TV. ..particular?
Humans have embraced violence since Adam and Eve; tribes, clans, territories, countries, etc. It seems to be part of our nature unfortunately. I am not that familiar with the history of your country but no doubt there were wars, weapons and probably guns involved in it's creation. And despite a safe full of weapons, I am happy to say I have never used any of them on another human.
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Humans have embraced violence since Adam and Eve; tribes, clans, territories, countries, etc. It seems to be part of our nature unfortunately. I am not that familiar with the history of your country but no doubt there were wars, weapons and probably guns involved in it's creation. And despite a safe full of weapons, I am happy to say I have never used any of them on another human.
So true! and thankfully, in some places at least, we've made absolutely no progress at all, and are still free to go in fear of our neighbours ...
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i am very interested in shooting, nothing fancy, just something like a ruger 10 22 to do some plinking.

my wife, however, isn't enthused about it. she grew up around guns and rifle and doesn't particularly care about having them in the house. "if you really want to get a gun you can get one" yeah right, i know what that means!
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And for the culture that embraces violence, just turn on the TV.
Since when has Hollywood done anything that's grounded in reality?

Is this the root cause of the violence between the Kyrgyz and Uzbek people? Too much TV?

This certainly isn't the time to argue over opinions of gun ownership. We are all entitled to our own views, and I'll let it rest at that. We don't know what resides in the hearts of others, only what lies within our own. Peace and Happy Easter to all!
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... I find that's one of advantages of packing heat; one need take no account of other peoples' opinions ... it's what lies within our own hart that matters, well as long as one has the larger gun that is.
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So true! and thankfully, in some places at least, we've made absolutely no progress at all, and are still free to go in fear of our neighbours ...
Good message here: pick your neighbors carefully. Make sure they have a powerful army, an armed citizenry and are not afraid of using them when we or our allies are attacked. If you fear that, then don't attack us :-)
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Good message here: pick your neighbors carefully. Make sure they have a powerful army, an armed citizenry and are not afraid of using them when we or our allies are attacked. If you fear that, then don't attack us :-)
I guess that's one of the sentences best said when wearing silver spandex.
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Perhaps, but I'd suggest a well-cut cape in Imperial Purple would enhance the effect.

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That's nothing, I did all my posts in a John Wayne voice ... and one doesn't mess with The Duke either
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The very illegality of it is one of the worrying aspects. The anti-gun hysteria in Britain is characteristic of a somewhat hysterical nation (the Dangerous Dogs Act is another example, or the current paedophile hysteria): I just don't like being told I can't own a gun. When they were legal I never considered buying one, but once I had firearms (by accident, as I say above), I was damned if I was going to give them up when they were suddenly made illegal.

Then again, if I were the kind of illiberal, authoritarian control freak that Britain has selected for most Home Secretaries in the last decade or more, I suppose I'd want to ban guns too, knowing I'd be a favoured target.

As for the purpose of a gun, apart from shooting Home Secretaries, don't forget too that some farmers can make an excellent case for vermin control with guns. What am I saying, APART FROM Home Secretaries?

Also, well-regulated hunting is defensible; the Germans and Czechs (for example) don't seem to slaughter one another when hunting in quite the same numbers that some other nationalities do. But of course these are long guns rather than pistols -- though where I live, hare are so plentiful this year I reckon I'd be OK with a pistol... And I do like hare!

I fully take your point about the morons and the Rambos but wouldn't you say that even a moron might have slightly more respect for a gun once he'd seen what happened when the bullet hits something -- straight through planks of wood, that sort of thing -- and that the best place for this would be at school, which is rarely associated with excitement and the illicit?

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I had an idea you would have an opinion, given the user-name, but while you clearly read some of Roger's post did you actually understand any of it?
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I appreciate fine guns and hunting, but don't really do either. Uncle brought me to a range once, got to try his 45. 2 bulls out of 10 shots, 9 on target. Pretty good grouping to boot. First time I had ever held a gun. I credit all of my low light photography, haha. Other time I photographed a sniper. Got a chance to try out his weapon afterward. Lord, that thing had some kick to it! I could see getting addicted to the sport.
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Define "assault weapon" for us.

Contrary to what some folks think, assault weapons are not readily available here in the USA. We are allowed to own the semi-auto version of the AK-47, M16, G3, etc. but not full the auto versions. And, contrary to what many may think, they function no differently than the old Remington Model 8 semi-auto hunting rifle that's been around since shortly after the turn of the last century. They look a little different but their function is the same, magazine fed and one shot with each pull of the trigger.

Some would classify the M14 and M16 semi-auto version as an assault weapon, but they are not. So what use would anyone have for either? Well they happen to be the two consistent winners in the very popular target rifle shooting sport here known as NRA High-Power Competition. In fact our USA National High-power Target Championships are just finishing up at Camp Perry Ohio. And if you were there, you'd see hundreds of them in use in three position paper target shooting, targets no different than those used in the UK Full-Bore matches.

Also, the states here in the USA with the highest crime rates are those with the strictest firearms laws, so Roman's analogy isn't quite correct. And I notice that violent and firearms crime in the UK and Australia have heavily increased since their (near outright) firearms bans have been in place in both countries.

I live in the state of Idaho, a state with very few firearms laws, and lots of firearm owners. We also have the right to carry firearms concealed (after applying for a permit), yet we have one of the lowest crime rates in the USA.

As has been said, "An armed society is a polite society."

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