Old 04-23-2012   #121
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Is it wierd that somehow I like my M8 results better than my M9? Forget about ISO and full frame, just plain result in sufficient light. I like the M8 better still, really. Am I nuts?
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Old 04-24-2012   #122
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In this article (Copyright Pete Myers):

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...dak-760m.shtml


He Says: "Without an anti aliasing filter and no Bayer color matrix, the resolution of a 6 mega pixel monochrome camera is astonishing. In monochrome, 6 mega pixels effectively does what it takes 12-24 mega pixels with a color matrix. ".
Jaapv,youre obviously very knowledgable on these issues but I remain unsure .Are you saying this gentleman is wrong or at best overly enthusiastic and the differences between sensors in making a bw image are minimal?
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Let's say he does not quantify his statement. Obviously leaving a filter off will result in more sharpness, and that is what he is seeing. However, if he were to count hairs he would find the number/size of detail rendered to be no different from a normal 6Mp sensor. The edge contrast of those details will be a lot better.
Resolution is about the number and size of the detail, not the sharpness.
And note the AA filter, that makes a 30 % difference in resolution.

The Foveon is a nice idea and an excellent sensor, but it never really made the grade. A bit like Betamax video casettes, better than VHS, but it never caught on.
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B+W only digital sensor? Back to a bucket load of colour filters, adapters, step-up/down rings then. Why sacrifice the possibility of deciding how to filter the shot, and much more acutely I might add, when converting a colour RAW file to B+W in post? The main advantage of shooting B+W as digital colour in my mind. Unless of course the sensor is indeed colour, but only gives B+W output with digital colour filters built into the camera SW. In which case, what's the point?

Stick to silvercoated emulsion.
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Is it wierd that somehow I like my M8 results better than my M9? Forget about ISO and full frame, just plain result in sufficient light. I like the M8 better still, really. Am I nuts?
Yes, kind of.
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The body of text from the link...unfortunately for me, it sounds like it'll be priced out of my budget again...even for just b&w:

Leica Monochrome sensor made by Platinum Equity (Kodak sensor).

Our super good sources informed us that the new Leica M camera coming on May the 10th will feature a Black and White Full Frame sold by Platinum Equity. As you know Platinum acquired the Kodak business and they are going to sell the Kodak developed Black and White sensor to Leica.

The list of available Black and White CCD sensors is still available on Kodaks website (Click here). The sources didn’t tell me which one it is but they said the camera pixel per pixel sharpness is unmatched by any of the current Full Frame cameras. Not even the super new Nikon D800 (36Megapixels) can match it!
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The process engine also plays a big role. Might be cheaper to do a monotone processing.
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The body of text from the link...unfortunately for me, it sounds like it'll be priced out of my budget again...even for just b&w:
Leica is never going to produce a cheap camera. Its cameras will always be priced too high for what you get. You know this though.
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Actually I find them quite fairly priced for what you get. That does not make them any cheaper though..
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Always expect to pay top dollar for a luxury product.

Not sure if I'll get priced out though.

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Actually I find them quite fairly priced for what you get. That does not make them any cheaper though..
Don't get me wrong, I own the M9. It is also the only camera of its type. That said, if the M9 was produced on the scale of a Nikon or Canon DSLR, and was not produced by a luxury lifestyle company, it would be priced differently I tend to think.
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darn! how do you make a wet B&W print of a shot taken with that camera?
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darn! how do you make a wet B&W print of a shot taken with that camera?
I know you were joking, but it can be done. Look at Salgado's workflow from a few years ago.
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darn! how do you make a wet B&W print of a shot taken with that camera?
Make a digital negative. See earlier posts on 4x5 negatives...

Anyways my approach as a B&W film only die-hard will be doing B&W digital as an entirely completely separate medium.

I'll still be shooting mucho film (no scanning for me), and if I shoot about half as much film as I do now it might only take 3-4 years for a digital B&W only M to pay for itself, even if it costs $10K.

$15K is another story, meaning no new Leica camera for me.

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I know you were joking, but it can be done. Look at Salgado's workflow from a few years ago.
I am aware of salgado's work. my post was tongue-in-cheek as you suspected.

waiting for some real time review/preview of the actual b&w prints from the new camera. I am sure they will be good.
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darn! how do you make a wet B&W print of a shot taken with that camera?
High quality film recorders can be found on ebay for under $200. It is an intriguing technology. These machines used to be cost 10's of thousands, and are now being dumped. If you can get a working one, and if such a workflow makes sense to you, it is a small investment.
I am trying to think of a use for one, but it does not make much sense for me.
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