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Old 03-18-2012   #1
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Visoflex's

Just wondering how they work, I understand the idea behind it, just not the practical.

Like whats lenses and such.
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Old 03-18-2012   #2
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Start your research here:
http://elshaw.tripod.com/Visoflex/Visoflex.html

And here:
http://www.cameraquest.com/viso4.htm
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Old 03-18-2012   #3
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They are fully functional. I use a Viso III with my M9 for macro shots, and enjoy the set up. They do however, add quite a bit of weight to the M.
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Yeah, the M8 and M9 breathed new life into Visoflexes. Sure, it is a bulky rig, but, it is neat to use. My favourite is the 65mm Elmar.

I have bellows too, but I often ask myself why not just use an SLR, when it comes to dragging out the bellows.

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I'm not really looking into getting one (at the moment) But was cursious.


Do you have to use certain lenses? or can any m mount lens work? could you modify other lenses? like nikon? does it work with another lens in it?

the spacing wouldnt work otherwise, right?
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Old 03-18-2012   #6
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widest M/Viso lens that works on Visoflex/SLR is 65mm Elmar. wider ones can do macro only.
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Old 03-18-2012   #7
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I just got into the visoflex world, and I'll likely only ever use it with the bellows for macro work. I have a 135/2.8, so I picked up the bellows adaptor 16598 for the 135/2.8. When I got the bellows from Keh, the description said it came with the standard 16558 adaptor, but, in fact, came with the bizarre 16570/16590 combo for the 135/4.5 lens head. I picked up a 90/4 screw mount from Tamarkin (not many actual Leitz lenses go for $120 these days) and found an ebay seller with the correct 16558 adaptor for only $22, so now I can use the 135/2.8, 90/4 and, if I ever got them, the 90/2 or 90/2.8 lens heads or 65/3.5 with the bellows.

My only SLR is a Mamiya 645E medium format camera for which I have the 120/4 macro lens, so if I want to do some macro work, the visoflex/bellows setup is strangely more convenient and lighter than either the Mamiya or large format.

It can be confusing to figure out what adaptors to get with what lenses. Since I already had the 135/2.8, I decided to concentrate on getting items to work with it. I still don't have a focusing helicoid for any lens, and I'm not sure if I'm going to get one. I did buy one for the 135/2.8 from Keh when I got the Visoflex and bellows, but it wouldn't mount on the visoflex, so I sent it back.

The bellows II are really nice for macro work. In addition to precise focusing and a lockdown, you can move the whole camera forward and backward with another knob, which helps for precise framing.

Some useful pages:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...ex_Accessories

(see lots of links at the bottom)

A few more, including manuals (I should give the guy a dollar or two for his scanning and posting work).

http://www.butkus.org/chinon/leica/l...soflex_iii.htm
http://www.butkus.org/chinon/leica/l...ccessories.htm
http://www.cameramanuals.org/leica_p...sory_guide.pdf

And here's the results of my first roll of film with the 135/2.8 and bellows, as well as some shots with my 90/2.8 or CV 75/1.8 direct on the visoflex, plus a couple iPhone pics of the setup:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/drew_sa...7629411974877/

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Old 03-18-2012   #8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brokencivilian View Post
I'm not really looking into getting one (at the moment) But was cursious.


Do you have to use certain lenses? or can any m mount lens work? could you modify other lenses? like nikon? does it work with another lens in it?

the spacing wouldnt work otherwise, right?
You can put any Leica M lens on the visoflex, but you get about 43mm or so of extra extension, so every lens becomes a macro lens. I've tried my 501/5 CV, 75/1.8 CV and 90/2.8 this way, and they all work, but you have a very limited focusing range. The shorter the lens, the greater the macro effect, of course. I had good results with the 75 and 90.

There are focusing helicoids that let you use the removable lens head (containing the lens elements plus aperture) from some lenses, such as both versions of the 135/2.8, the older non-tele versions of the 90/2.8, most older non-collapsible 90/4, and some of the older 135/4 and 135/4.5 lenses. With the correct focusing adaptor, you get infinity focus.

There are special lenses that are visoflex only, some have their own focusing mechanism, some require an adaptor, some have their own focusing and still require an adaptor to connect. See http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...x_Focal_Length

If you wanted to use lenses for normal SLR's, you'd have to have an adaptor to mount them to an M-mount, and with the depth of the visoflex, you'd lose infinity focus. I imagine there might be some medium format cameras with a film to lens mount distance that's deeper than the M+visoflex, so those lenses with an adaptor would allow infinity focus, but I don't know of any.

See http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...x.php/Visoflex as well.

OK, edit to before, I decided to photograph some of my lenses with and without the lens cells removed.
135/2.8 normal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/drew_saunders/6995535397/
135/2.8 with the lens cell removed: http://www.flickr.com/photos/drew_saunders/6849412020/
9cm/4 screw mount normal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/drew_saunders/6849411790/
9cm/4 lens cell removed, from "front" http://www.flickr.com/photos/drew_saunders/6995535263/ and side view: http://www.flickr.com/photos/drew_saunders/6995535335/


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Anyone have any experience with visos and collapsibles such as the 50 coll-summicron?
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I too use a bellows and do macro with the Visoflex. The 4/90 Elmar is my favorite to use.

It's a pain to set up, but after a hard work week, with perhaps no prospect of getting out on the weekend to shoot, it's what I'll dig up to shoot random things around the house. Gotta shoot something....
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You might find it amusing to look at "The Worst DSLR in the World" (Viso on M9), http://www.rogerandfrances.com/subsc...st%20dslr.html

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Old 03-19-2012   #12
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Anyone have any experience with visos and collapsibles such as the 50 coll-summicron?
As regular Summicron 50 = not collapsed when in use.
The mirror of Visoflex III will hit rear of lens if collapsed.

The same with Dual Range Summicron, mirror would hit.
So be carrefull when using "other" lens like wide angle and so on.


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