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View Poll Results: War of the Cheapies - 400 color film
Kodak Gold 400 140 32.56%
Fuji Superia 400 265 61.63%
Other Color 400 25 5.81%
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Old 02-22-2012   #81
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I've shot some Superia, 'xtra' I think, never dared try Gold. I think the Superia is ok, but I picked up some real cheap Agfa Vista recently and really really like how that came out. Cheap ISO 200 color film always works out very nice for some reason.

That said, in general, when I shoot color I splurge on the new Portra. It's amazing.
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Old 03-07-2012   #82
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Ugghh - Superia is okay. Nothing wrong with it ('cept a faint green cast sometimes). But Kodak Gold 400 is far superior. It simply and clearly is the better of the two films at this speed (and all speeds below). At 800 color print, Fuji is the better film - handles color cast better, is not quite as grainy. Kodak <= 400 > Fuji. Always, for color print stuff.
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Old 03-13-2012   #83
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I've used both, and I feel like fdigital. The best deal around here WAS at Costco. $1.39 for a 24 Superia. I used to buy the 6-7 packs, but they discontinued. I should have gone in there and bought them out.
Have you had a look at the discount/dollar stores? Film just sits on the shelf in those places.
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Old 03-13-2012   #84
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Kodak Gold is obsolete. The new film is is Ultramax 400. I believe that Ultramax 400 is the same film as Portra 400. The films are speced just slightly diffrently becasue they are tested slightly differently. The differences are just marketing specmanship.
It does not make sense for Kodak to run multiple production lines any more. I was never happy with Gold 400, but the new Ultramax gives the same results as Portra. You can see some shots from my first roll of Ultramax here.
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Kodak Gold is obsolete. The new film is is Ultramax 400. I believe that Ultramax 400 is the same film as Portra 400. The films are speced just slightly diffrently becasue they are tested slightly differently. The differences are just marketing specmanship.
It does not make sense for Kodak to run multiple production lines any more. I was never happy with Gold 400, but the new Ultramax gives the same results as Portra. You can see some shots from my first roll of Ultramax here.
Very nice shots. Have you done any side by side comparisons to see if it is indeed the same?
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Old 03-17-2012   #86
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I had long favored Superia 400, but I've used Gold 400 recently and have been very pleased. A tossup, I think.

(I wish Gold 100 was still being made.)
You can still get Gold 100.
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Old 03-17-2012   #87
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For me Superia 200 and 800 are what I like from consumer range. Well, Reala in 135 also is consumer film and is good, tight film.
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Old 03-21-2012   #88
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I like them both. I use superia as a cheaper pro-h, and gold as a cheaper portra vc.

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Old 03-21-2012   #89
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When I've shot color in the past it's almost always been Kodak Portra, but thought I would try something cheaper this time and bought ten 36 exposure rolls of Fuji Superia, for $3.19 each. I just got a roll developed at Walgreen's and like it pretty well so far. I think I'll pick up a couple rolls of Gold this weekend and compare them.

Here are a few from the Superia roll:

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really nice whites, greg.
memories 200 is fantastic color film for you guys who live west of the mississippi. get it at dollar stores. shoot box speed. to my eye, slide-like. i am told it is made from konica's old film equipment and stock.
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memories 200 is fantastic color film, slide-like. i am told it is made from konica's old film equipment and stock.
Paul,

Who told you Memories film was made from Konica's old film equipment and stock ?

I ask because I shot Konica color negative 35mm film from 100 to 1600 ISO before it was unavailable here in the NYC area.
It was a wonderful film with a slide like appearance, like you indicated.

I was under the impression that Memories was a badly made Italian color film.

Kodak UltraMax is my color film of choice now as Fuji Superia is just too weird, unnatural.

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Kodak Gold is obsolete. The new film is is Ultramax 400. I believe that Ultramax 400 is the same film as Portra 400. The films are speced just slightly diffrently becasue they are tested slightly differently. The differences are just marketing specmanship.
It does not make sense for Kodak to run multiple production lines any more. I was never happy with Gold 400, but the new Ultramax gives the same results as Portra. You can see some shots from my first roll of Ultramax here.
Ok, that explains a lot. I went to the local film store to buy some Superia X-tra but they didn't have it and the shopkeeper recommended me Ultramax 400. I had never seen it before but bought a few rolls anyway. I shot it like I'd shoot Superia X-tra, one and a half stops over exposed. I got balanced colors (just a bit muted like I wanted) and nice grain. For half the price for a roll of Portra, I'm sold.

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Old 04-15-2012   #94
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I just shot a 4 pack of Fuji 200 speed film. Could have been Superia. I have shot the 400 X-Tra, it is grainy and flat but generally good. The 200 I shot at 100, with 1 stop of overexposure, 2 rolls turned out fantastic, and two were pretty bad. I figure since I bought the film at Walmart it was a crapshoot, so 50% is a good return.
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I use Kodak Gold 400 just because it is cheap here.


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Superia 400 is the same emulation as Press 400, a pro film, it's bound to be good. While Kodak Pro film has always been good, I've always seen Fuji consumer film as being much better than Kodak's equivalents.

Whatever happened to Fuji True Definition 400? I do belive there is also Fuji Superia Premium 400 sold in Japan, not sure if that's it, is that much better than the standard 400?
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If Ultramax 400 is rebranded Portra 400, I'd be very interested, can someone put do a picture showing the leaders of both side by side?
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I'm kind of liking the results I'm getting with the Fuji Superia XTRA 400


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Of course, this expired Kodak 400 isn't too bad either...


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Kodak gold at $2.00 a roll of 36 on Evil Bay.
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I definitely agree! Where are you guys getting good color out of the Superia? Mine is generally a crapshoot with most of the roll looking terrible and a select few having good color. It only looks good in a select few lighting situations.
*Fresh* Superia 200 is really really good.
With the lights I have, I can't get anything good using whatever 400 ISO.
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Kodak Gold is obsolete. The new film is is Ultramax 400. I believe that Ultramax 400 is the same film as Portra 400. The films are speced just slightly diffrently becasue they are tested slightly differently. The differences are just marketing specmanship.
It does not make sense for Kodak to run multiple production lines any more. I was never happy with Gold 400, but the new Ultramax gives the same results as Portra. You can see some shots from my first roll of Ultramax here.
Is this a guess, or do you have som insider information? Just curious.
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Kodak does not list 'Gold 400' only 'Gold 200' on their site!
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Personally I prefer Superia X-Tra to Gold 400 (which is "Farbwelt 400" here in Germany; almost the same film, colors are a little bit adjusted for the German and Austrian market).

Superia X-Tra 400 has better detail rendition (finer grain, higher resolution, better edge sharpness) compared to Gold 400.
The Kodak film has a more warmer color balance. Superia is a bit more neutral.
Both have quite high saturation and contrast.

I am using the Superia often in some cheaper cams for less serious stuff.
For my serious work I go for the best quality available in ISO 400 color film: Provia 400X.
It's the finest grain ISO 400 color film. And the one with highest resolution and best sharpness.
Natural, vibrant colors and excellent skin tones.

Projected with a good projection lens on the screen at 1,50m or 1,75m width the quality is absolutely outstanding for an ISO 400 film.
If you make a poster of the same size from Portra 400 or Pro 400H, than there is just no competition:
Portra and Pro400H are looking awful compared to the projected 400X slide.

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I accidently got some Superia 200 at half price (don't ask).
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I love Superia 200.
It scans nicely and I like the colors, even the resolution is fine for my LS-40
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Old 05-23-2012   #108
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Not sure about the 'Fuji too green' type comments I've always found it pretty easy to get great colour with both, the Kodak might be slightly higher contrast, this being a moot point with digital processing. I think some peoples exposure, process and workflow may be the issue.
Anyhow here is Superia 400


I don't find the colours (green and reds) too unnatural of course most of it will be taste and/or workflow skill/ability that drives choices.
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Old 06-10-2012   #109
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Kodak Gold 400 (aka MAX 400) "vs." Fuji Superia 400: Kodak is grainy compared to Fuji Superia.

When I first used Fuji ten years ago, I promised myself never to shoot their C-41 films with ISO higher than 200. For B&W, I think Kodak is far better than Fuji, with the only exception of TMax 400 vs. Acros Neopan 400.
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Old 06-27-2012   #111
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All about film speed. Kodak <= 400 asa. Always. Fuji rules => 800... in color print. Not that Kodak 800 is bad or that slower Fuji is bad - no they're both fine stocks at any speed, but Fuji edges out Kodak at high speed, Kodak edges out Fuji at slower speeds in color print film. Period.
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Haven't tried Fuji 400. But here are some more examples for Kodak Max 400:

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I quite like the Superia X-tra 400 pushed to 1600.
One shot I took at a thai-box club in Sweden:
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... Fuji is still the better film, sorry

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Old 08-11-2012   #116
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Fuji Superia gets my vote for its lovely colors, but I am perfectly happy with using Kodak Gold aswell.
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I like them both but I feel the Kodak gives a more natural color, The Fuji always looks a little over-saturated to me.
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I actually really adore Kodak 200 @ 2.99 from B&H (36)

Especially for summer. Pushing it one stop isn't so bad either, if needed.
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I don't see how anybody can compare the subtle differences of these films unless they are doing their own processing under very tight controls, or maybe having it done at the same pro lab. I shot a 4 pack of Superia 400 Xtra and had it developed at four different places with four noticeably (if not radically) different results. Then I shot more and took it back to my favorite two places... different results again. I used the same camera, but acutance, grain size, and color cast were different but consistent across each roll.

Perhaps this accounts for the divergent opinions in this thread.
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... perhaps you need a better lab, mine gives pretty much consistent results
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