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View Poll Results: Do you prefer the 43mm or the 50mm with the Mamiya 7/7II?
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10-23-2011
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I am just wondering whether after 15 months since this thread was started OP managed to decide on one of the two  |
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10-23-2011
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On 35mm format, the 43mm is equivalent to 21mm, and the 50mm is equivalent to 24mm.
The 21mm-equivalent field of view has been popular in recent years, but you tend to get a lot of foreground. This leads to the "mountains in the back and the rock in front" sort of composition, which is OK but a little old now. The 24mm reduces this somewhat. I personally am trending more towards 35-50mm for landscapes, to eliminate some of these foreground issues.
The other use for a very wide lens is in a confined space, such as indoors. However, you soon get crazy distortion if you vary from horizontal, so this is really the realm of dedicated architectural photography, with view-camera movements.
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11-02-2011
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What would you do?
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Your final option, involving lettuce, sounds pretty good!  |
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03-27-2012
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04-06-2012
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These are gorgrous Matt.
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04-06-2012
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An entire set with the 43: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjwhYxsz
which I purchased selling a 50 and an 80 (bought again last year).
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07-06-2012
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I got an M7 with a 65mm as "standard" (as I like using a 35mm lens as standard with my Leica M6TTL). I also got a 150mm lens. I had a choice between a 50mm or 43mm for wide and went for the 43mm as I really like the slightly exaggerated wide perspective that the equivalent of a 21mm lens gives. I'm considering getting the panoramic adapter. Anyone use it or recommend it?
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07-06-2012
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I don't get why they didn't make the 50 a faster lens (i.e 2.8). Perhaps because the shutter in in the lens?
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07-06-2012
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considering getting the panoramic adapter. Anyone use it or recommend it?
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I haven't used it, seemed expensive and I'd rather spend the money on extra 120 film and crop to pano as needed. |
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07-06-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Jenkin
I got an M7 with a 65mm as "standard" (as I like using a 35mm lens as standard with my Leica M6TTL). I also got a 150mm lens. I had a choice between a 50mm or 43mm for wide and went for the 43mm as I really like the slightly exaggerated wide perspective that the equivalent of a 21mm lens gives. I'm considering getting the panoramic adapter. Anyone use it or recommend it?
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I have it and have used it a good bit; it is a fiddly thing, a Rube Goldberg deal. But I still like it, you get more shots than shooting 120 and cropping for pano. But the big thing for me is being able to shoot a variety of 35mm film that may not be available in 120. |
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07-07-2012
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I don't get why they didn't make the 50 a faster lens (i.e 2.8). Perhaps because the shutter in in the lens?
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You lose DOF with medium format relative to 35mm assuming equivalent angle of view. And then there's the weight of a lens that needs to cover a larger image circle. That's why 35mm is still the best format for low light.
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07-09-2012
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I get it, but then how does the Plaubel Makina have a f2.8 lens. Is it because the bellows pulls the lens farther away from the film?
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08-04-2012
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I get it, but then how does the Plaubel Makina have a f2.8 lens. Is it because the bellows pulls the lens farther away from the film?
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Longer bellows extension will simply make it possible to focus at a closer distance. So, no, that's not why Plaubel Makina offers an f/2.8 80mm lens. It can be useful to have faster lenses, but the trade-off is greater weight and bulk and limited usefulness at closer focus.
I use 35mm when I need faster lenses because of the greater DOF for equivalent angles of view. That often makes it possible to use slower films, partially off-seting the disadvantage of the smaller format.
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10-11-2012
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The shutter is the limiting issue with faster lenses for the Mamiya 7 system. They would likely need a larger shutter to make faster lenses = bigger lenses.
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10-15-2012
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Absolutely STUNNING!!! 
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10-15-2012
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I have 80mm, 65mm and 43mm.
43mm is very hard to be composed for 6x7, but it is great for both indoor and cityscape, if the final image is cropped to 6x6. It can be used the same way as SWC. (Even better?) I have never tried, but it would be also good for 4x6 crop.
In my opinion, 43mm is not a good angle for 6x7 composition. I wish someone will make 6x6 screen for 43mm VF.
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11-03-2012
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This was the 43mm...
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WOW!!!
What kind of filter was on that? Gotta be something!? It's fantastic |
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11-03-2012
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43 for sure, for certain landscapes it's awesome and I actually wish they made a wider one. Canon makes a 14mm prime that's NOT a fisheye. You can do some amazing things which is unfortunate, since it's n a 35mm frame, the ability to make large crisp prints is limiting, so wish Mamiya made like a 30mm. Oh well...
I keep thinking they will come out with a Mamiya 7D (Digital) but it would end up being a crappy 645 most likely... "cropped frame" systems make me grrrr lol
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11-06-2012
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With the very wide angle lens you can sometimes use it to avoid converging verticals. Keep the camera level, and crop away the unwanted foreground. The 6x7 format gives a good amount of film surface area so the print can still be sharp.
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11-17-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rtwright88
I only have the 43mm, however, it is superlative lens. Why go 50mm when you can crop a 43mm shot?
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Why not to go for the 50mm and stitch the shots digitally?
It will result in higher res images what is desirable when covering such a wide angle
And there will be the possibility to change the aspect ratio of the frame
My experience for landscapes is that wider image are often desirable |
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11-17-2012
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Originally Posted by cvansas
Why not to go for the 50mm and stitch the shots digitally?
It will result in higher res images what is desirable when covering such a wide angle
And there will be the possibility to change the aspect ratio of the frame
My experience for landscapes is that wider image are often desirable
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If you're going to stitch then why not shoot digital?
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12-08-2012
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Originally Posted by thomasw_
If it were me, I'd start with the 7ii and the 65mm. That lens is so versatile....and i'd add a 43mm later.
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That's what I did, I agree the 65mm is my most used lens.
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02-07-2013
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My daughter says - GO WITH THE 43!!!
voice by notraces, on Flickr |
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02-08-2013
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My daughter says - GO WITH THE 43!!!
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The grand canyon says go 43mm
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02-08-2013
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The grand canyon says go 43mm |
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