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Digital Leica M8 / M8.2 / M9 / M-E /Mono / M10 aka "M" Discussions about the Leica M8 /M 8.2 / M9 / M9-P/ M-E / M Monochrom / M10 aka "M": Leica digital M mount rangefinder cameras. Naming the new digital M the "Leica M" is VERY unfortunate as it will only confuse newbies with other Leica M cameras of the the past. Happily there is room for confusion with only the past 59 years of Leica M production ... since Leica introduced the Leica M system in 1953. All Hail for the Leica Marketing Department learning Leica M history!

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Old 09-05-2011   #126
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Because you shoot film and/or black and white perhaps? With digital my Nikkor 50/1.8 & 50/1.4 look different from my Summicron & Summilux asph and pre-asph, at least in color.
I primarily used Kodachrome back when it was available and plentiful. The results were typical, and to my eyes identical, for my Nikon as well as my Leicas.

I tried Kodak's Tech Pan film as well a few times. I was surprised to note that the Nikon with the 50mm f1.4 was at least as sharp if not actually sharper than my (new at the time) 50mm Summicron.

I came away from these experiments with the notion that it all is really quite irrelevant; I can take just as a terrible shot with my Leicas as I can with my Nikons.

I believe today, as I notice many people are, that it really doesn't matter; Lens quality will not make a fine picture, but I might.
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I came away from these experiments with the notion that it all is really quite irrelevant; I can take just as a terrible shot with my Leicas as I can with my Nikons.

I believe today, as I notice many people are, that it really doesn't matter; Lens quality will not make a fine picture, but I might.
Good comment, agreed! But you might generally enjoy using one type of camera more than another, somewhat depending on the task too.

I enjoy using my Pentax film cameras, but don't care for the user interface on my Pentax dSLRs. I also like to use my Leica M2, and equally well the M8 and M9 as they are relatively easy to handle.

One (used) M8 has been flawless. One dealer-demo M8 went to NJ with a sensor line, and the (used) M9 went later for sensor issues. The used cameras were bought from private parties, but Leica performed the service at no charge. Turnaround time for me, with shipping clear across the US, was a month. Sending a Pentax to Hendrickson for CLA takes the same..

Most of my M lenses have gone to DAG for coding and focus adjustment. Now that all this is sorted out, the Leica gear is running smoothly and I'm very pleased.

I do believe that Jaap is right about the magnifying effect of internet forums in seeming to show more and worse problems, out of proportion. Good news just doesn't travel as well as bad news! For those with bad experiences, I sympathize, wish you better luck, an urge good communication with service providers.
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I have the dreaded vertical line. I've tried"Pixel Fixel" if you will. No such luck!
I can't wait to box up my M8 and send it to NJ so they can send me a nice juicy repair bill for known Leica problem.
Yippee!
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I have the dreaded vertical line. I've tried"Pixel Fixel" if you will. No such luck!
I can't wait to box up my M8 and send it to NJ so they can send me a nice juicy repair bill for known Leica problem.
Yippee!
Think positive! My store demo M8 came without registration card, and only a 12-month store warranty. At 16 months I sent it in with that vertical line problem, and Leica fixed it at no charge.

If you contact your dealer, they will surely be helpful in handling the repair return for you. Or contact your importer directly. They will not give repair estimates before seeing the camera, but they will give you the go-ahead to send it in, and thus will be expecting it. Enclose a letter with a complete but concise description of the problem, and illustrations if you can. Help them help you... and good luck.

Edit: And here's a tip for fixing your affected photos with that vertical line... The idea is to eliminate that bad vertical column of one-pixel width. I worked on the full-res TIFF output of my RAW conversion software. With your TIFF displayed at 100%, locate that bad line. Select everything to the right of that line in your file and move it one pixel to the left, covering the bad line. At the M8 resolution you will not be able to detect the missing pixel column... the line will simply be gone from that image file.
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Old 09-05-2011   #130
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TR3B: I hear you. There is a member who posted earlier in the thread his cost in USD for a vertical line issue, I think. I want to say it's around $1300USD but could be mistaken. Here's hoping that it gets fixed at little or even better, no cost to you.

It's this vertical line thing that I hate. I could have a bunch of regular hot pixels and can map them in post but that vertical line is so hard to fix. Especially if I've got a large number of files to work with and it's in every one, each with different gradations in tone and color. I think it's impossible to automate its removal for bulk processing.

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Interesting factoid:
I noticed yesterday that my wife's Olympus P&S, an XZ1, has "sensor mapping" as a menu item.
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Old 09-06-2011   #132
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...and kind of sick of digital as a result.

So, I just found ANOTHER hot pixel in my M9.
The first one I found was in the M8 a few months after I got it. I
dealt with it as long as possible but I had to have a digital
camera.

When I got the M9, I found the hot pixel 3 days after taking possession
of it. I then sent the M8 out for repair and almost 3 months later, it
came back in better condition.

I understand your frustration, but it makes me think about the guy who had a horse-drawn coach and bought a horseless carriage just because everybody else was doing it. No need to pick up manure, maintain a stable, feed the horse...but...but! The horseless carriage wouldn't stop at his whistles (awful design flaw) and the food (the hipsters called it "gasoline") couldn't be handled while he smoked his pipe. Shame on Benz!



Anyhoo...

http://webpages.charter.net/bbiggers...xel_facts.html


http://www.mediachance.com/digicam/hotpixels.htm


http://nzdigital.blogspot.com/2008/0...ot-pixels.html



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Why is it that Doug has sent in his camera for a fix and it was done at no charge yet no one else can seem to find the same Leica NJ location and do the same thing?

Seriously. It doesn't make sense. I have never had a camera sent in for repair but if I did have a problem, damned if I wouldn't follow through immediately and have it fixed.

Looking forward to the outcome on these.

BTW, every Nikon DSLR I ever owned had hot pixels and some kind of crappy issue but I worked around them and eventually sold them all. Just never sent one in for repair.
Shame on you for talking common sense on an Internet forum!
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I think one of the issues is that Leica seems to pick and choose who it charges for sensor remapping / replacement and who it serves gratis.

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hmmm, in our family there have been the following camera bodies: Pentax k10D x2: no hot pixels. Pentax k20D: no hot pixels; Canon 40D: no hot pixels. Olympus E-3 and E-P2: no hot pixels; Nikon D80, D300x2, and D700: no hot pixels. My son's D700, D90, and Lumix 3 (whatever it is): no hot pixels. My other son's k10D, and his Oly 520: no hot pixels. Not only no pixel issues, no issues of any kind whatsoever: none, nada, zip, zero.

Each camera has enjoyed a rough minimum of 6 months use, and, where resold, subsequent purchaser, save for one gentleman who was trying to get 100ISO performance out of Max ISO for a K10D, never reported an issue to me. Most of our gear has enjoyed multiple years of continuous use.

So, as a context for the purchase of an M9, that's the history out of which we expect any such high-end-cost piece of gear to operate. And to have the apparent service variability for defects, that is flat-arse unacceptable in my view.
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I shot a Nikon D1x and D2H for years. The D2H had a hot pixel and also the dreaded "blank shot" when you first turned it on. But I never sent it in for repairs. Other than that, those cameras were warhorses. I used them for work and I literally beat them all to hell but they kept right on working. Great cameras.

I can certainly understand the OP's frustration with his Leica, especially for what they cost. The only Leica I ever owned was an M5 many, many years ago.
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I wonder if there is or could be, an app for Photoshop called "Leica Glass".

You would take your shot on a conventional camera then reform the image to have the appearance of the more revered Leica image.

Just saying...I mean if you can see it you can copy it, right?

There could be something to evoke:

-Prewar Elmar with fungus.
-Prewar Summitar with separation.
-Summicron with haze.
-Pre aspherical, aspherical and post aspherical
-Digital Leica
-Film Leica
-Leicas with sparkly bits on the sensor
-etc.

I'd buy it, but I'm poor so I wouldn't pay more than $100.00.
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I had a Pentax *istD that I purchased used in 2004. it developed hot pixels. this year. 7 years, and well over half a million shutter actuations and that is still the only fault it has ever exhibited.
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I shot a Nikon D1x and D2H for years. The D2H had a hot pixel and also the dreaded "blank shot" when you first turned it on. But I never sent it in for repairs. Other than that, those cameras were warhorses. I used them for work and I literally beat them all to hell but they kept right on working. Great cameras.

I can certainly understand the OP's frustration with his Leica, especially for what they cost. The only Leica I ever owned was an M5 many, many years ago.
Forgot about the d2h blank frame thing mine had that, it was very annoying if you hadn't used the camera for a while and wanted to make a quick grab shot!
I think with hot pixels its better not looking for them as nine out of ten you will find one or two. My first professional camera a Canon 1dmk1 cost £4000 and had a nice big red hot pixel right in the middle of the sensor.
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Okay folks- here's the deal:

Thomas Comerford in Ireland who has PixelFixer helped me get set up on the software and I can run a folder of roughly 200 M8 raws in about 30 seconds.... Red line fixed.
My take is:
I am poor as hell but gambled $2200 on a low mileage M8 last march with 1500 clicks that showed no vertical line issues. Recent high iso and including some very underexposed 160 iso shots revealed the problem.
I came so close to sending it in for repair but balked at giving Leica a single dime for an issue that I feel they should cover, (free of charge) on each and every M8 and M9 out there, barring none. Ever heard of the mirror fix on a Canon 5D, regardless of owner or proof of purchase. There was no guarantee Leica was going to fix my camera without charge and in fact many posts have alluded to the contrary.
My intent is to keep the M8 and shoot the crap out of it because I love the files and the rangefinder experience. I;m sure the time will come when the camera needs some real attention, then I will send it in as some have suggested.
Hell I was thinking that at some point Leica will make an announcement that due to the high number of inquiries that they have elected to provide a fix to there valued customers, free of charge and at that point I'll have the "Purple People" pick it up.

I strongly suggest anyone who has a vertical line issue, to give PixelFixer a try... its free and the support was shockingly personal, unlike what others have said about someone else.

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Okay folks- here's the deal:

Thomas Comerford in Ireland who has PixelFixer helped me get set up on the software and I can run a folder of roughly 200 M8 raws in about 30 seconds.... Red line fixed.
My take is:
I am poor as hell but gambled $2200 on a low mileage M8 last march with 1500 clicks that showed no vertical line issues. Recent high iso and including some very underexposed 160 iso shots revealed the problem.
I came so close to sending it in for repair but balked at giving Leica a single dime for an issue that I feel they should cover, (free of charge) on each and every M8 and M9 out there, barring none. Ever heard of the mirror fix on a Canon 5D, regardless of owner or proof of purchase. There was no guarantee Leica was going to fix my camera without charge and in fact many posts have alluded to the contrary.
My intent is to keep the M8 and shoot the crap out of it because I love the files and the rangefinder experience. I;m sure the time will come when the camera needs some real attention, then I will send it in as some have suggested.
Hell I was thinking that at some point Leica will make an announcement that due to the high number of inquiries that they have elected to provide a fix to there valued customers, free of charge and at that point I'll have the "Purple People" pick it up.

I strongly suggest anyone who has a vertical line issue, to give PixelFixer a try... its free and the support was shockingly personal, unlike what others have said about someone else.

See Ya!
Thanks for the link and the info!
It will solve the problem for many users.
I'm sure Leica will be flattered at being held responsible for cosmic radiation. In the future I will hold Jaguar to account for a flat tyre....
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