| CSC : Compact System Cameras - This new category of digital Compact System Cameras with interchangeable
lenses was mislabeled for a time as "Mirrorless Cameras" by those forgetting about "Mirrorless" Rangefinder cameras. Such
confusion is easily understandable, since interchangeable rangefinder cameras
were only recently introduced in 1932. hmm. CSC or
Compact System Camera is probably the best category description to date,
although I am fond of the old RFF desigation of CEVIL
indicating Compact Electronic Viewfidner Interchangeable Lens. This forum is here at RFF because via adapters these cameras offer an inexpensive way
to use rangefinder lenses on digital cameras -- in addition of just about every
35mm SLR lens you can think of. All offer the photo enthusiast an
incredible array of adopted lenses which was not possible before these new
digital formats. This group continues to grow in popularity and new
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05-12-2011
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If you're going to buy the NX10 (or the G1, for that matter), why not just go for an SLR? Anything bigger than a GF1/EP1 is no longer compact, in my book...
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05-21-2011
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what do you guys think about $380 for a DP2? I'm very anxious to get a camera before I leave for Bangkok-- but I can't decide whether I want to spend almost 400 on a point and shoot (perhaps give the GRDIII another shot?), or just buck-up and go for the GF1... :\
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05-21-2011
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3 from 36 on a good day.
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ElectroWNED,
What about the panasonic G3?
I'm looking at changing my GF1 for the new Panasonic G3. The signs so far suggest it is like my gf1 in size. Higher resolution inbuilt EVF. Ergo hand grip. Better high ISO performance as tested ( but I cannot confirm till I try one). Not a big step up in price. Actually cheaper than my gf1 kit cost if you add the cost of the EVF attachment.
If you think you would buy and keep the EVF on the Gf1 most of the time, without question, I would be recommending looking at the G3 instead. Problem with the EVF attachment is it is boxy and catches on stuff especially as you put it in and out of your camera bag. There is no lock to hold it in the hotshoe just friction. I am always paranoid I might lose my EVF attachment and It costs a large sum so I'd be really upset to lose it.
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05-21-2011
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Have a look at the Canon Powershot S95: fast wide-angle, pocketable, 399 on bhphoto. And if you did not know... processing/printing/scanning film in SE Asia is very affordable...
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05-21-2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Wijninga
Have a look at the Canon Powershot S95: fast wide-angle, pocketable, 399 on bhphoto. And if you did not know... processing/printing/scanning film in SE Asia is very affordable...
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I like everything about the S95, but the small sensor. I have to have some DOF for some reason... Then again, the GRDIII also has a small sensor, and it produced nice images, so who knows? |
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05-21-2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paolo Bonello
ElectroWNED,
What about the panasonic G3?
I'm looking at changing my GF1 for the new Panasonic G3. The signs so far suggest it is like my gf1 in size. Higher resolution inbuilt EVF. Ergo hand grip. Better high ISO performance as tested ( but I cannot confirm till I try one). Not a big step up in price. Actually cheaper than my gf1 kit cost if you add the cost of the EVF attachment.
If you think you would buy and keep the EVF on the Gf1 most of the time, without question, I would be recommending looking at the G3 instead. Problem with the EVF attachment is it is boxy and catches on stuff especially as you put it in and out of your camera bag. There is no lock to hold it in the hotshoe just friction. I am always paranoid I might lose my EVF attachment and It costs a large sum so I'd be really upset to lose it.
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Should have made this more clear: I don't really want to spend more than $300-- I would go up to $500 and feel guilty for a while, but would get over it. I know I can't get a GF1+pancake for $500, so anything more than that is out of the question. Still, the GF1 is my ideal camera right now...
That being said: if I could find a Sigma DP2 for ~325, I'd buy it in a second. |
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05-21-2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroWNED
If you're going to buy the NX10 (or the G1, for that matter), why not just go for an SLR? Anything bigger than a GF1/EP1 is no longer compact, in my book...
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Because from my experience with an e-p1, I'd never buy another camera without a viewfinder. Once you add the viewfinder to the e-p2/e-pl2 it becomes larger than the nx10.
fyi, the nx10 is like a quarter the size of my 5d. It's still really small. |
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05-21-2011
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3 from 36 on a good day.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroWNED
Should have made this more clear: I don't really want to spend more than $300-- I would go up to $500 and feel guilty for a while, but would get over it. I know I can't get a GF1+pancake for $500, so anything more than that is out of the question. Still, the GF1 is my ideal camera right now...
That being said: if I could find a Sigma DP2 for ~325, I'd buy it in a second.
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Ok no prob. 500 for a gf1 I agree is not possible. I have seen of late the 20mm pancake lens skyrocket it price to around 550 on it's own. second hand ones going over the 450 mark. Not sure why. probably short supply or extra demand from Olympus owners adding it to their kit. |
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05-22-2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paolo Bonello
Ok no prob. 500 for a gf1 I agree is not possible. I have seen of late the 20mm pancake lens skyrocket it price to around 550 on it's own. second hand ones going over the 450 mark. Not sure why. probably short supply or extra demand from Olympus owners adding it to their kit.
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photography gear pricing is so random... I bought a GRDIII six months ago for $225 (sold it for ~$100 more than that a month later  ). |
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05-26-2011
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Well folks, after buying a GRDIII for $225 some months ago, I've just secured a mint condition Sigma DP2s for $300.
Not to rub it in or anything... :P
I think this is going to be my go-to camera for a long time to come.
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08-03-2011
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Hey, glad you got that DP2s! I hope it is doing what you want, and you are getting results that please you. Those are the important things.
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08-06-2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroWNED
Well folks, after buying a GRDIII for $225 some months ago, I've just secured a mint condition Sigma DP2s for $300.
Not to rub it in or anything... :P
I think this is going to be my go-to camera for a long time to come.
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Where'd you find a GR D III for $225? That's an amazing deal! |
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08-21-2011
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Where'd you find a GR D III for $225? That's an amazing deal!
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Stalking eBay one night after a few beers, I thought maybe I was really drunk when I saw $225 Buy It Now... I guess I bought the thing seconds before some other guy did.
I'll post some images from my Sigma when I have a better internet connection... I'll just say that this camera is maybe my favorite ever. |
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09-03-2011
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A combination of the GRD III and DP2(s) is fantastic. I have often used this combination and I love the versatility. Ricoh for low light, wide angle and fast shooting, and the DP2 for portraits, closer views and that gorgeous Foveon look. Congrats!
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