£899 - Fuji X100

[videogamemaker]

Originally Posted by Brian Sweeney

Sensors, like most components, have a manufacturer's model number associated with them. The Kodak DCS-200 used a Kodak KAF-1600. The KAF-1601, KAF-1602, KAF-1603e are all pin-compatible but substantially improved designs. Blue range was extended by adding "tin" (I seem to remember). The Leica M8 uses a Kodak KAF-10500. Some reviewers will state which sensor was used with a particular camera. I have not followed the X-100 close enough to know which CCD was used, but- it certainly has a model number with rev level.

My Nikon DSLR has a Fuji sensor in it.

Is this something where it has to be opened up to see the model number and revision? or something that is visible in firmware?

[tapesonthefloor]

Originally Posted by Roger Hicks

Which is, indeed, a powerful argument for the X100 NOT having one. Historically, 'serious' cameras don't have built-in flashes, and X100 wants to postion itself as a 'serious' camera.

As has been discussed elsewhere, Fuji has implemented a flash "commander" mode on the X100, meaning the small on-body flash can be used to control studio lighting without any adapters, any wires, or any additional cost. While I'm sure the ex-hundred's flash is perfectly serviceable for fill in typical p&s settings, they must have considered the great utility of the former use when deciding to include an on-body flash. That, in itself, might be considered a powerful argument that they're aiming this camera at "serious" photographers, rather than the contrary.

[Roger Hicks]

Originally Posted by tapesonthefloor

As has been discussed elsewhere, Fuji has implemented a flash "commander" mode on the X100, meaning the small on-body flash can be used to control studio lighting without any adapters, any wires, or any additional cost. While I'm sure the ex-hundred's flash is perfectly serviceable for fill in typical p&s settings, they must have considered the great utility of the former use when deciding to include an on-body flash. That, in itself, might be considered a powerful argument that they're aiming this camera at "serious" photographers, rather than the contrary.

Indeed, a good point -- though I'd still prefer a sync cable. Or maybe an IR filter on the on-camera flash. You don't always want even a weak flash from the camera position. And, I can't help feeling, not many would choose the X100 as a studio camera.

Cheers,

R.

[videogamemaker]

Originally Posted by Roger Hicks

Indeed, a good point -- though I'd still prefer a sync cable. Or maybe an IR filter on the on-camera flash. You don't always want even a weak flash from the camera position. And, I can't help feeling, not many would choose the X100 as a studio camera.

Cheers,

R.

There is a whole new generation using flash's on the go. Mayhaps you've heard of "the strobist"?

[Quash]

Looks like Adorama and B&H pulled the pre-order, as reported by x100rumors.com. Still available at Henry's and Vistek in Canada for $1200. They ship to US, so let's see if they get pulled.

[jsrockit]

Perhaps the price isn't set in stone yet...

[GSNfan]

Maybe its delayed.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by videogamemaker

There is a whole new generation using flash's on the go. Mayhaps you've heard of "the strobist"?

Strobist! what a silly name

[videogamemaker]

Originally Posted by GSNfan

Maybe its delayed.

Nah, just got this from Robert at Precision Camera (which is still taking pre-orders) The difference is they don't specify a price, though they do mention the "about 1,000" rumor. I'm guessing it's the listing of a price that made them ask to take it down from B&H and Adorama, maybe that means the price isn't set in stone yet.

Originally Posted by Robert@precision-camera

We are taking quite a few preorders but I talked to the Fuji rep today and it looks good for us to get them all taken care of quickly.

March is still the date.

Hope this helps!
Robert

[videogamemaker]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

Strobist! what a silly name

Maybe... I didn't pick it. Tons of useful info offered for free though. Helped me learn about using off camera lighting, that's for sure.

[GSNfan]

Originally Posted by videogamemaker

Nah, just got this from Robert at Precision Camera (which is still taking pre-orders) The difference is they don't specify a price, though they do mention the "about 1,000" rumor. I'm guessing it's the listing of a price that made them ask to take it down from B&H and Adorama, maybe that means the price isn't set in stone yet.

There is no way on earth they'll revise the price down, thats just telling people their camera is not worth it, so the logical conclusion is that X100 would cost even more than $1200...

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by videogamemaker

Maybe... I didn't pick it. Tons of useful info offered for free though. Helped me learn about using off camera lighting, that's for sure.

Sorry, I thought we were talking of on-camera flash .... so flasher would have been a better name

[videogamemaker]

Originally Posted by GSNfan

There is no way on earth they'll revise the price down, thats just telling people their camera is not worth it, so the logical conclusion is that X100 would cost even more than $1200...

I think that's a bit too much speculation for my preference. It could be that it will be 1200 and they just don't like how many people are complaining about it, and want to focus on more easy to swallow marketing stuff, and announce the price just before launch. It could be less and they want to avoid what you said, or it could be more.

Another thought is that they might want to see what the exchange rate is in another 2 months and be able to adjust in small amounts of 25 or 50 dollars. It's just too vague of a sign asking them to pull the two major US dealers announced price for me to come to any conclusion from it.

[videogamemaker]

Originally Posted by GSNfan

There is no way on earth they'll revise the price down, thats just telling people their camera is not worth it, so the logical conclusion is that X100 would cost even more than $1200...

Also, the only people that have seen the listed price of 1200 are the early adopter gear heads like us that would love to see it come in for less. But if major resellers like B&H and Adorama are listing the price, it could get around to a wider audience.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by GSNfan

There is no way on earth they'll revise the price down, thats just telling people their camera is not worth it, so the logical conclusion is that X100 would cost even more than $1200...

That makes no sense whatsoever... Fuji doesn't think like Leica.

[shashinka-ichiban]

Adorama and B&H have the price listed at 1199.oo USD Only Adorama is allowing pre-order, B&H is not.

[shashinka-ichiban]

Originally Posted by Roger Hicks

Which is, indeed, a powerful argument for the X100 NOT having one. Historically, 'serious' cameras don't have built-in flashes, and X100 wants to postion itself as a 'serious' camera.
R.

Did I miss something here, the Nikon D100, D200, D300, D300s. and I believe the D700 have pop-up flashes? Depending on who is arguing, these are Nikon prosumer or professional cameras.

[migtex]

Originally Posted by shashinka-ichiban

Did I miss something here, the Nikon D100, D200, D300, D300s. and I believe the D700 have pop-up flashes? Depending on who is arguing, these are Nikon prosumer or professional cameras.

Probably they are not "serious" cameras...

[paulfish4570]

i wonder if this will drive down the price of the canon g11/g12 and its nikon competitior. i also wonder if this will drive canon and nikon to make fixed focal length versions of same ...

[videogamemaker]

Originally Posted by migtex

Probably they are not "serious" cameras...

The d700 is definitely a serious camera. If you hold disdain for it, it's because of some kind of anti-dslr bias, not any objective categorization. The camera makes some amazingly nice images at all ISO levels and takes a huge range of quality glass. The D700 image files are superior to the M9 files in every metric save possibly resolution, and I'm sure no one will say the M9 isn't a serious camera.

Would anyone argue the X1 isn't a serious camera? Plenty of people on RFF seem to like it for the images it makes, and if anything it has a much goofier flash than the X100.

Dinging a camera for having a built in cheapo flash that doesn't add any size or weight is like getting mad at a box graphic or the color of the battery charger.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by videogamemaker

Would anyone argue the X1 isn't a serious camera? Plenty of people on RFF seem to like it for the images it makes, and if anything it has a much goofier flash than the X100.

Believe me... there is a lot of X1 hate out there... and many people consider it to be a way too expensive P&S.

[_larky]

Originally Posted by migtex

Probably they are not "serious" cameras...

My D200 is not at all serious, I can't even have a polite conversation about cheeses with it any more, it just wants to talk about the girls in the other corner. MAybe it's going through some teenage stage.