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High Dynamic Range Examples - Anyone Else Fooling Around with This?
Old 09-06-2010   #1
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High Dynamic Range Examples - Anyone Else Fooling Around with This?

Just started playing in this sandbox. Anyone else? Any tips?



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Old 09-06-2010   #2
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It has developed a bad reputation, too many people go too far with it.

As a result, it seems that the best approach with HDR is to make sure the HDR effect isn't visible in your image.
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Nick, you've changed. It's like I don't even know who you are anymore.




(What antiquark said.)
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ugh. Really find it annoying. Whenever I go to public markets there is always a photog selling HDR landscapes, which, I can appreciate if people are buying I suppose, but it looks like total cheese to me.

Bleh.
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Please don't. The majority of HDR images look like a dogs dinner
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Old 09-06-2010   #6
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It has developed a bad reputation, too many people go too far with it.

As a result, it seems that the best approach with HDR is to make sure the HDR effect isn't visible in your image.
Yeah - heard that too. Not sure if I like it or not. Different, though.
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Nick, you've changed. It's like I don't even know who you are anymore.




(What antiquark said.)
Frank - don't worry. I do this every few years... Digital-Film-Digital-Film, vigorously defending the virtues of both, until I go 180 again. I'll be back to "Film Nick". (Probably when I get a decent film scanner...) It's part of my multiple personality disorder. One thing I'll nevah change though is my leftist/socialist political views. Of that you can be certain.
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Someone on here once described a heavy handed HDR approach as looking like a childs fantasy wonderland nightmare... or something like that.

It can be used well if used subtly in situations that need it, but IMO the limitations of scenes make for more interesting photos than 20+ stops of information which just looks fake.
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Good feedback. Me thinks if I play further, I'll tone the HDR thing down to where it's subtle... is it or isn't it? High Dynamic Range to Higher Dynamic Range. I'm not sure what to make of the experiments I posted. I don't think they look totally like crap, I don't particularly like them either... they just look kinda weird.
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Frank - don't worry. ... One thing I'll nevah change though is my leftist/socialist political views. Of that you can be certain.
Good to hear.
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Old 09-06-2010   #11
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I've done a lot of HDR, but when I first saw it take off as an option, I was mortified by the extreme over-saturation virtually everyone was doing. To me, I always treated HDR as a "large scale fill flash". My process in Photomatix is to do the nature option.

However, in the end, I've stopped doing HDR because I realized I was using it as a crutch and not using proper photography technics. What caused me to realize this was when I met a "newbee" photographer making a fuss about his "shoot" at Longwood Gardens - he was asking like Ansel Adams and when I spoke with him, I quickly found out that he had only bought his Nikon D60 one month prior. Yes, he had been doing photography for only a month and using HDR to solve all his poor photography technics.

After that, I realized that his actions where in fact the state of affairs with current photography - that all the "newbees" telling me that they where going to fix their poor technics in Photoshop.
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I'm not sure what to make of the experiments I posted. I don't think they look totally like crap, I don't particularly like them either... they just look kinda weird.
FWIW, it's hard to tell they're HDR.
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I like the old HDR.

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At some point HDR becomes photo-illustration.
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Does this look like HDR?

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Does this look like HDR?
The foreground looks normal, but the tops of the hills look wonky to me, but I don't think I would have noticed that if the topic was not already HDR. I am not sure.
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Does this look like HDR?
Yeah, looks pretty HDR-ish. The clouds especially.
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Does this look like HDR?
Definitely! It's like the image is shouting at me. The dark edges around the clouds and across the trees on the horizon are dead giveaways. The bridge looks a bit like a paper cut-out.
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Thanks Alpacaman and antiquark, yes it is hdr, merged an under and overexposed frame in PSE 8. It does have more latitude than either of the 2 shots individually, but at the cost of a normal looking photo to me.

The original regular M8/35 lux images are here:

http://matsumura.smugmug.com/Photogr...97217882_pq3nH
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From the treeline upwards to the mountain/sky looks very much like HDR.
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The original regular M8/35 lux images are here:

http://matsumura.smugmug.com/Photogr...97217882_pq3nH
With a scene like that, I would say "hell, the sky will be blown" and then try to frame it minimize the sky. Either remove the sky entirely from the composition, or keep it close to the top of the frame.
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yeah, it was an experiment, and while it does show a lot of shadow and highlight detail, it's not a pretty photograph to me. Perhaps I could have done it better or used different tools, but it's just not for me. I would like to try a few more times though and do the best I can with PSE so I know what it can do...
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One thing I'll nevah change though is my leftist/socialist political views. Of that you can be certain.
*thumbs up*


In comparison with other HDR images yours look surprisingly allright, if I wouldn't have known they were HDR I wouldn't have seen it, to be honest.
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Nick, et all;
I don't know if this qualifies as HDR, but in the "old days" of digital, like a couple of years back, it was common to shoot two frames of an image (w/tripod). One at the bottom of the range, and one at the top and merge them in PS. This was an early solution to the blow-out (low DR) on the right side of the histogram. Is the stuff you're producing done this way?

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Nick - if you undid the pink saturation of your beach one, it might be fine. For those deep blue skies, there is an easy grad. ND filter in Picasa that works well, and keeps sand and beach water looking normal.
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From film to HDR
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From film to HDR

This topic reminds me of something I did a while ago.
Since a color negative film contains all the 'information' at a range of many stops, much more than any digital sensor, I had the idea of creating an 'HDR'
image from a single color neg frame.
The technique was to scan the same frame in different analog levels and merge them to an HDR image.
Then I realized that this is the same thing we used to do in color printing class, at photography school:
we exposed the highlights longer and the dark areas less.

This is the 'HDR' version of a negative frame.
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If an image is oversaturated, very contrasty, looks like "photoshopped" or unreal, than it's a failed HDR.
It's a mistake when people say that photomatix tonemapped photos are true HDR images.
HDR is a way to increase image's dynamic range, not to make it look radioactive
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One thing I'll nevah change though is my leftist/socialist political views. Of that you can be certain.
It's my belief that most people are actually conservatives; they just don't know it. Keeping in mind that thatherist corporitism is actually laissez-faire liberal economics and quite unconservative have a look at these for the real thing:

http://www.respublica.org.uk/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

and most outrageously (a popes encyclical from 100 years ago):

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/le...ovarum_en.html

I can't imagine you are freethinking enough to read that but it would be interesting to see your opinion.

Conservatism and communism have nearly identical goals: the happy peasant, but with a nod to hierarchy and tradition (those accomodations learned over the ages).

However if you don't believe in free-will then socialism is fairly logical really. It is a command and control structure that emphasies the community over the individual (if the 'I' is just a delusion of a collection of brain cells then that's quite reaosnable). Liberalism is the opposite: emphasising personal rights over the community by confusing freewill with freedom.

True conservatism, which neither Republicans nor the UK's Torys have, is all about "a community of free individuals"; a sort of balance: living in harmony with and for each other

A typical socialist structure is the military, or a large corporation (socialism in microcosm): a nice irony. Thatcher has a lot to answer for. So does Bush. There is no one to vote for.
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I did a fake one in photoshop, if that counts ...




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Nick,

Yours doesn't look HDR to me. I think the problem with HDR is that people go overboard, and everything looks fake.

The examples from DGA and Sparrow are what I personally think is excellent use of HDR. They look like lovely and evenly exposed photos which doesn't look fake at all.

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Marvellous pic, sparrow. So much atmosphere.
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@all - I did tone these down a lot. Originals look someone vomited up color.
@ Sparrow - how did you do the fake one? It looks great!
@Lorriman - I was a Rand reading to the right of Limbaugh "conservative" for a long time - not n' more, and not ever. They disgust me and are dragging this country down - big time. They're on the wrong side of every issue - Iraq, climate change, taxation, reproductive rights, economics - name it. It's actually what defines them (being on the wrong side of every issue). I'm talking about the "US" brand of "Glenn Beck" conservatism. I will give your links a read. I have some time today. Thanks...
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Marvellous pic, sparrow. So much atmosphere.
Thank you, it was one of those mornings, about 0600 and a beautiful Mediterranean sunrise couldn't go wrong really, I just over photoshoped it a bit to get that
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Does this look like HDR?

Looks like the sky/clouds have been pasted in, so I would guess it was HDR
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@all - I did tone these down a lot. Originals look someone vomited up color.
@ Sparrow - how did you do the fake one? It looks great!
@Lorriman - I was a Rand reading to the right of Limbaugh "conservative" for a long time - not n' more, and not ever. They disgust me and are dragging this country down - big time. They're on the wrong side of every issue - Iraq, climate change, taxation, reproductive rights, economics - name it. It's actually what defines them (being on the wrong side of every issue). I'm talking about the "US" brand of "Glenn Beck" conservatism. I will give your links a read. I have some time today. Thanks...
I did it as a joke, warmed up the colours and put that blue cast in the sky, put a dramatic curve to tighten the ends of the histogram, then dodged and burned .. all I can see is the halos and poor colour, I actually printed it in monochrome.
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